National knows there is a problem with water quality - they set up aLabour have said they will tax water, National have not said so. Therefore even a 5 year old would understand that we have the right to know the detail or at least more than has been announced of the Labour tax.
working group to invetigate solutions - but have not said whether
they will or will not imose such a tax - while asking labour for fine
detail of their proposals.
This is Nat-spinNonsense>
- see here for 10 good reasons why National shouldThis is Labour spin!
not be supported >http://werewolf.co.nz/2017/09/ten-reasons-for-not-voting-national/
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:even
National knows there is a problem with water quality - they set up a >working group to invetigate solutions - but have not said whether
they will or will not imose such a tax - while asking labour for fine >detail of their proposals.
Labour have said they will tax water, National have not said so. Therefore
a 5 year old would understand that we have the right to know the detail or at least more than has been announced of the Labour tax.
You cannot ask for detail of something that is not planned can you?????
This is Nat-spin
Nonsense>
- see here for 10 good reasons why National shouldThis is Labour spin!
not be supported >http://werewolf.co.nz/2017/09/ten-reasons-for-not-voting-national/
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:National have set up a task force to recommend to them what the tax
National knows there is a problem with water quality - they set up a >>working group to invetigate solutions - but have not said whetherLabour have said they will tax water, National have not said so. Therefore even
they will or will not impose such a tax - while asking labour for fine >>detail of their proposals.
a 5 year old would understand that we have the right to know the detail or at >least more than has been announced of the Labour tax.
You cannot ask for detail of something that is not planned can you?????Of course you can - when the government have set up a tax task force
Pick one of the numbered items and tell us why you think the factsNonsense>
This is Nat-spin
- see here for 10 good reasons why National shouldThis is Labour spin!
not be supported >>http://werewolf.co.nz/2017/09/ten-reasons-for-not-voting-national/
Tony
On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 21:24:25 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netWrong. Until they say they are considering water tax, there are no intelligent questions to ask. On the other hand Labour have said they will tax farmers so questions are appropriate.
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:National have set up a task force to recommend to them what the tax
National knows there is a problem with water quality - they set up a >>>working group to invetigate solutions - but have not said whetherLabour have said they will tax water, National have not said so. Therefore >>even
they will or will not impose such a tax - while asking labour for fine >>>detail of their proposals.
a 5 year old would understand that we have the right to know the detail or at >>least more than has been announced of the Labour tax.
should be. We are entitled to know what they plan to do - "Right",
Tony?.
Actually I am biassed, I am biassed towards truth and opposed to liars like you!You cannot ask for detail of something that is not planned can you?????Of course you can - when the government have set up a tax task force
for a change to our taxes, they should be able to at leasst say what
they intend to do - you have not objected to the same questions being
asked of Labour - are you biassed?
There are no facts in that link, only opinion!Nonsense>
This is Nat-spin
Pick one of the numbered items and tell us why you think the facts- see here for 10 good reasons why National shouldThis is Labour spin!
not be supported >>>http://werewolf.co.nz/2017/09/ten-reasons-for-not-voting-national/
Tony
given are wrong, Tony . . . .
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:intelligent
On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 21:24:25 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netWrong. Until they say they are considering water tax, there are no
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:National have set up a task force to recommend to them what the tax
National knows there is a problem with water quality - they set up a >>>>working group to invetigate solutions - but have not said whetherLabour have said they will tax water, National have not said so. Therefore >>>even
they will or will not impose such a tax - while asking labour for fine >>>>detail of their proposals.
a 5 year old would understand that we have the right to know the detail or at
least more than has been announced of the Labour tax.
should be. We are entitled to know what they plan to do - "Right",
Tony?.
questions to ask. On the other hand Labour have said they will tax farmers so questions are appropriate.
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Oh? How do you know that? Have you asked them? If you have, what did
On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 21:24:25 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netWrong. Until they say they are considering water tax, there are no intelligent >questions to ask.
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:National have set up a task force to recommend to them what the tax
National knows there is a problem with water quality - they set up a >>>>working group to investigate solutions - but have not said whether >>>>they will or will not impose such a tax - while asking labour for fine >>>>detail of their proposals.Labour have said they will tax water, National have not said so. Therefore >>>even
a 5 year old would understand that we have the right to know the detail or at
least more than has been announced of the Labour tax.
should be. We are entitled to know what they plan to do - "Right",
Tony?.
On the other hand Labour have said they will tax farmers soA total lack of any facts is not truth - and you have not shown any
questions are appropriate.
Actually I am biassed, I am biassed towards truth and opposed to liars like you!
You cannot ask for detail of something that is not planned can you?????Of course you can - when the government have set up a tax task force
for a change to our taxes, they should be able to at least say what
they intend to do - you have not objected to the same questions being
asked of Labour - are you biassed?
There are no facts in that link, only opinion!
Pick one of the numbered items and tell us why you think the factsNonsense>
This is Nat-spin
- see here for 10 good reasons why National shouldThis is Labour spin!
not be supported >>>>http://werewolf.co.nz/2017/09/ten-reasons-for-not-voting-national/
Tony
given are wrong, Tony . . . .
National knows there is a problem with water quality - they set up a
working group to invetigate solutions - but have not said whether
they will or will not imose such a tax - while asking labour for fine
detail of their proposals.
This is Nat-spin - see here for 10 good reasons why National should
not be supported http://werewolf.co.nz/2017/09/ten-reasons-for-not-voting-national/
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 02:07:24 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netat
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 21:24:25 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
National knows there is a problem with water quality - they set up a >>>>> working group to investigate solutions - but have not said whetherLabour have said they will tax water, National have not said so. Therefore >>>> even
they will or will not impose such a tax - while asking labour for fine >>>>> detail of their proposals.
a 5 year old would understand that we have the right to know the detail or
Oh? How do you know that? Have you asked them? If you have, what didWrong. Until they say they are considering water tax, there are no intelligentleast more than has been announced of the Labour tax.National have set up a task force to recommend to them what the tax
should be. We are entitled to know what they plan to do - "Right",
Tony?.
questions to ask.
they say? If you haven;t, what do you think the task force is for
then?
On the other hand Labour have said they will tax farmers soA total lack of any facts is not truth - and you have not shown any
questions are appropriate.
Actually I am biassed, I am biassed towards truth and opposed to liars like you!
You cannot ask for detail of something that is not planned can you????? >>> Of course you can - when the government have set up a tax task forcefor a change to our taxes, they should be able to at least say what
they intend to do - you have not objected to the same questions being
asked of Labour - are you biassed?
lie from me.
There are no facts in that link, only opinion!
Pick one of the numbered items and tell us why you think the factsNonsense>
This is Nat-spin
- see here for 10 good reasons why National shouldThis is Labour spin!
not be supported
http://werewolf.co.nz/2017/09/ten-reasons-for-not-voting-national/
Tony
given are wrong, Tony . . . .
On 2017-09-19, Tony <lizandtony> wrote:at
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 21:24:25 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
National knows there is a problem with water quality - they set up a >>>>> working group to invetigate solutions - but have not said whetherLabour have said they will tax water, National have not said so. Therefore >>>> even
they will or will not impose such a tax - while asking labour for fine >>>>> detail of their proposals.
a 5 year old would understand that we have the right to know the detail or
Wrong. Until they say they are considering water tax, there are no intelligentleast more than has been announced of the Labour tax.National have set up a task force to recommend to them what the tax
should be. We are entitled to know what they plan to do - "Right",
Tony?.
questions to ask. On the other hand Labour have said they will tax farmers so
questions are appropriate.
This is how the spin starts. Labour is going to tax water, not farmers. Not all farmers use huge amounts of water.
Some dairy farmers do not irrigate.
Nevertheless, Labour is going to make all dairy farmers go broke in 6 months with the water tax. Now, look at that I am a liar HA!
On 2017-09-19, Tony <lizandtony> wrote:at
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 21:24:25 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
National knows there is a problem with water quality - they set up a >>>>> working group to invetigate solutions - but have not said whetherLabour have said they will tax water, National have not said so. Therefore >>>> even
they will or will not impose such a tax - while asking labour for fine >>>>> detail of their proposals.
a 5 year old would understand that we have the right to know the detail or
Wrong. Until they say they are considering water tax, there are no intelligentleast more than has been announced of the Labour tax.National have set up a task force to recommend to them what the tax
should be. We are entitled to know what they plan to do - "Right",
Tony?.
questions to ask. On the other hand Labour have said they will tax farmers so
questions are appropriate.
This is how the spin starts. Labour is going to tax water, not farmers. Not all farmers use huge amounts of water.
Some dairy farmers do not irrigate.
Nevertheless, Labour is going to make all dairy farmers go broke in 6 months with the water tax. Now, look at that I am a liar HA!
On 19/09/2017 8:56 a.m., Rich80105 wrote:
National knows there is a problem with water quality - they set up a
working group to invetigate solutions - but have not said whether
they will or will not imose such a tax - while asking labour for fine
detail of their proposals.
This is Nat-spin - see here for 10 good reasons why National should
not be supported
http://werewolf.co.nz/2017/09/ten-reasons-for-not-voting-national/
Wrong as usual Rich. Not Nat-spin as yo put it but what the voters need
to know to make their decision who to vote for. Not giving fine detail
is extremely dodgy and typical of many of your posts. Jacindas bleating 'foul' is just the pathetic cry of your typical marxist flake again very reminiscent of your own behaviour in this ng. Have you been giving her snowflake lessons Rich?
Now for ten reasons for not voting Labour: Jacinta, Andrew, Kelvin,
Grant, Phil, Megan, Chris, Carmel, Dr David and David.
btw Rich. What does invetigate and imose mean? :)
On 2017-09-19, Tony <lizandtony> wrote:I doubt you are a liar, but you very dumb. All dairy farmers use massive amounts of water. Labour will tax water used by farmers ergo Labour will be taxing farmers. Can you follow that?
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 21:24:25 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netWrong. Until they say they are considering water tax, there are no >>intelligent
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:National have set up a task force to recommend to them what the tax >>>should be. We are entitled to know what they plan to do - "Right",
National knows there is a problem with water quality - they set up a >>>>>working group to invetigate solutions - but have not said whether >>>>>they will or will not impose such a tax - while asking labour for fine >>>>>detail of their proposals.Labour have said they will tax water, National have not said so. Therefore >>>>even
a 5 year old would understand that we have the right to know the detail or >>>>at
least more than has been announced of the Labour tax.
Tony?.
questions to ask. On the other hand Labour have said they will tax farmers >>so
questions are appropriate.
This is how the spin starts. Labour is going to tax water, not farmers. Not >all farmers use huge amounts of water.
Some dairy farmers do not irrigate.
Nevertheless, Labour is going to make all dairy farmers go broke in 6 months >with the water tax. Now, look at that I am a liar HA!
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 02:07:24 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netStupid man - Labour will tax water they say, National are not saying that and that is all that can be said.
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Oh? How do you know that? Have you asked them? If you have, what did
On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 21:24:25 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netWrong. Until they say they are considering water tax, there are no >>intelligent
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:National have set up a task force to recommend to them what the tax >>>should be. We are entitled to know what they plan to do - "Right",
National knows there is a problem with water quality - they set up a >>>>>working group to investigate solutions - but have not said whether >>>>>they will or will not impose such a tax - while asking labour for fine >>>>>detail of their proposals.Labour have said they will tax water, National have not said so. Therefore >>>>even
a 5 year old would understand that we have the right to know the detail or >>>>at
least more than has been announced of the Labour tax.
Tony?.
questions to ask.
they say? If you haven;t, what do you think the task force is for
then?
Well actually you lie a great deal - that is when you are not defaming people.On the other hand Labour have said they will tax farmers soA total lack of any facts is not truth - and you have not shown any
questions are appropriate.
Actually I am biassed, I am biassed towards truth and opposed to liars like >>you!
You cannot ask for detail of something that is not planned can you????? >>>Of course you can - when the government have set up a tax task forcefor a change to our taxes, they should be able to at least say what
they intend to do - you have not objected to the same questions being >>>asked of Labour - are you biassed?
lie from me.
There are no facts in that link, only opinion!
Pick one of the numbered items and tell us why you think the factsNonsense>
This is Nat-spin
- see here for 10 good reasons why National shouldTony
not be supported >>>>>http://werewolf.co.nz/2017/09/ten-reasons-for-not-voting-national/ >>>>This is Labour spin!
given are wrong, Tony . . . .
Gordon <Gordon@clear.net.nz> wrote:Therefore
On 2017-09-19, Tony <lizandtony> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 21:24:25 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net >>>dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
National knows there is a problem with water quality - they set up a >>>>>working group to invetigate solutions - but have not said whether >>>>>they will or will not impose such a tax - while asking labour for fine >>>>>detail of their proposals.Labour have said they will tax water, National have not said so.
oreven
a 5 year old would understand that we have the right to know the detail
Wrong. Until they say they are considering water tax, there are no >>intelligentatNational have set up a task force to recommend to them what the tax >>>should be. We are entitled to know what they plan to do - "Right", >>>Tony?.
least more than has been announced of the Labour tax.
questions to ask. On the other hand Labour have said they will tax farmers >>so
questions are appropriate.
This is how the spin starts. Labour is going to tax water, not farmers. Not >all farmers use huge amounts of water.
Some dairy farmers do not irrigate.
Nevertheless, Labour is going to make all dairy farmers go broke in 6 months >with the water tax. Now, look at that I am a liar HA!I doubt you are a liar, but you very dumb. All dairy farmers use massive amounts of water. Labour will tax water used by farmers ergo Labour will be taxing farmers. Can you follow that?
It will put pressure on farmers and increase the cost of dairy produce to the consumer, any tax on farm water will hurt your pocket. Very simple.
On Wednesday, September 20, 2017 at 10:20:36 AM UTC+12,nor...@googlegroups.com wrote:
ThereforeGordon <Gordon@clear.net.nz> wrote:
On 2017-09-19, Tony <lizandtony> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 21:24:25 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net >>>dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
National knows there is a problem with water quality - they set up a >>>>>working group to invetigate solutions - but have not said whether >>>>>they will or will not impose such a tax - while asking labour for fine >>>>>detail of their proposals.Labour have said they will tax water, National have not said so.
oreven
a 5 year old would understand that we have the right to know the detail
farmersWrong. Until they say they are considering water tax, there are no >>intelligentatNational have set up a task force to recommend to them what the tax >>>should be. We are entitled to know what they plan to do - "Right", >>>Tony?.
least more than has been announced of the Labour tax.
questions to ask. On the other hand Labour have said they will tax
Notso
questions are appropriate.
This is how the spin starts. Labour is going to tax water, not farmers.
monthsall farmers use huge amounts of water.
Some dairy farmers do not irrigate.
Nevertheless, Labour is going to make all dairy farmers go broke in 6
thewith the water tax. Now, look at that I am a liar HA!I doubt you are a liar, but you very dumb. All dairy farmers use massive amounts of water. Labour will tax water used by farmers ergo Labour will be taxing farmers. Can you follow that?
It will put pressure on farmers and increase the cost of dairy produce to
consumer, any tax on farm water will hurt your pocket. Very simple.
For those concerned at the way farming is allegedly damaging the environment,there's nothing to prevent them tailoring their spend to meet any increase in the cost of what is nowadays just another envy-of-the-world luxury commodity.
Market forces, an' all that.range of superb imported French cheeses by our local New World, these selling at lower prices than their in-country "equivalents."
Indeed, nothing could be more pleasurable than the recent introduction of a
On Tuesday, September 19, 2017 at 2:24:32 PM UTC+12, nor...@googlegroups.com >wrote:The subject of this thread is "National's water tax", it is typed without a question mark. There is no National's water tax and that is all I was attempting to get Rich to understand - a futile task perhaps but one that I was prepared to undertake.
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
National knows there is a problem with water quality - they set up a
working group to invetigate solutions - but have not said whether
they will or will not imose such a tax - while asking labour for fine
detail of their proposals.
Labour have said they will tax water, National have not said so. Therefore >>even
a 5 year old would understand that we have the right to know the detail or >>at
least more than has been announced of the Labour tax.
You cannot ask for detail of something that is not planned can you?????
This is Nat-spin
Nonsense>
- see here for 10 good reasons why National shouldThis is Labour spin!
not be supported
http://werewolf.co.nz/2017/09/ten-reasons-for-not-voting-national/
Call it what you will, in either case all that matters is whether or not it's >true.
On Wednesday, September 20, 2017 at 1:10:39 PM UTC+12, nor...@googlegroups.com >wrote:It is my call not yours but I cannot help but wonder why it gets under your skin. A negative outlook on life, a desire to interfere with others or something more sinister?
jmschristophers@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, September 19, 2017 at 2:24:32 PM UTC+12,The subject of this thread is "National's water tax", it is typed without a >> question mark. There is no National's water tax and that is all I was
nor...@googlegroups.com
wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
National knows there is a problem with water quality - they set up a
working group to invetigate solutions - but have not said whether
they will or will not imose such a tax - while asking labour for fine
detail of their proposals.
Labour have said they will tax water, National have not said so.
Therefore
even
a 5 year old would understand that we have the right to know the detail >> >>or
at
least more than has been announced of the Labour tax.
You cannot ask for detail of something that is not planned can you????? >> >> >
This is Nat-spin
Nonsense>
- see here for 10 good reasons why National shouldThis is Labour spin!
not be supported
http://werewolf.co.nz/2017/09/ten-reasons-for-not-voting-national/
Call it what you will, in either case all that matters is whether or not
it's
true.
attempting to get Rich to understand - a futile task perhaps but one that I >>was
prepared to undertake.
As was the equally futile task undertaken by the hapless Sisyphus.
jmschristophers@gmail.com wrote:it's
On Tuesday, September 19, 2017 at 2:24:32 PM UTC+12, nor...@googlegroups.com >wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
National knows there is a problem with water quality - they set up a
working group to invetigate solutions - but have not said whether
they will or will not imose such a tax - while asking labour for fine
detail of their proposals.
Labour have said they will tax water, National have not said so. Therefore >>even
a 5 year old would understand that we have the right to know the detail or >>at
least more than has been announced of the Labour tax.
You cannot ask for detail of something that is not planned can you?????
This is Nat-spin
Nonsense>
- see here for 10 good reasons why National shouldThis is Labour spin!
not be supported
http://werewolf.co.nz/2017/09/ten-reasons-for-not-voting-national/
Call it what you will, in either case all that matters is whether or not
wastrue.The subject of this thread is "National's water tax", it is typed without a question mark. There is no National's water tax and that is all I was attempting to get Rich to understand - a futile task perhaps but one that I
prepared to undertake.
jmschristophers@gmail.com wrote:nor...@googlegroups.com
On Wednesday, September 20, 2017 at 1:10:39 PM UTC+12,
awrote:
jmschristophers@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, September 19, 2017 at 2:24:32 PM UTC+12,The subject of this thread is "National's water tax", it is typed without
nor...@googlegroups.com
wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
National knows there is a problem with water quality - they set up a >> >> >working group to invetigate solutions - but have not said whether
they will or will not imose such a tax - while asking labour for fine >> >> >detail of their proposals.
Labour have said they will tax water, National have not said so.
Therefore
even
a 5 year old would understand that we have the right to know the detail >> >>or
at
least more than has been announced of the Labour tax.
You cannot ask for detail of something that is not planned can you????? >> >> >
This is Nat-spin
Nonsense>
- see here for 10 good reasons why National shouldThis is Labour spin!
not be supported
http://werewolf.co.nz/2017/09/ten-reasons-for-not-voting-national/
Call it what you will, in either case all that matters is whether or not >> >it's
true.
Iquestion mark. There is no National's water tax and that is all I was
attempting to get Rich to understand - a futile task perhaps but one that
was
prepared to undertake.
As was the equally futile task undertaken by the hapless Sisyphus.It is my call not yours but I cannot help but wonder why it gets under your skin. A negative outlook on life, a desire to interfere with others or something more sinister?
Tony
On 9/19/2017 8:56 PM, Gordon wrote:With record milk prices, now may be a good time to make a start on
On 2017-09-19, Tony <lizandtony> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 21:24:25 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netWrong. Until they say they are considering water tax, there are no intelligent
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:National have set up a task force to recommend to them what the tax
National knows there is a problem with water quality - they set up a >>>>>> working group to invetigate solutions - but have not said whether >>>>>> they will or will not impose such a tax - while asking labour for fine >>>>>> detail of their proposals.Labour have said they will tax water, National have not said so. Therefore
even
a 5 year old would understand that we have the right to know the detail or at
least more than has been announced of the Labour tax.
should be. We are entitled to know what they plan to do - "Right",
Tony?.
questions to ask. On the other hand Labour have said they will tax farmers so
questions are appropriate.
This is how the spin starts. Labour is going to tax water, not farmers. Not >> all farmers use huge amounts of water.
Some dairy farmers do not irrigate.
Nevertheless, Labour is going to make all dairy farmers go broke in 6 months >> with the water tax. Now, look at that I am a liar HA!
Dairying takes a lot of water.
Not so much for irrigation in the North Island but for the every day
running of the farm.
Cows in milk drink around 18-20 gallons a day each.
Out of milk, calves, weaners add to the load.
And then theres the hygiene in the shed and the yard where a lot of
water is required to wash down the areas.
Any increases cost is going to make dairying uneconomic with reduced
milk to the factory, reduced spending in the local towns, less staff on
farms as wages can't be paid.
Then those small towns start to shut down and cut back as the money
dries up.
Is that what you liebor bots really want
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:statement effectively exactly what you falsely claim I may have done?
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 02:07:24 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netStupid man - Labour will tax water they say, National are not saying that and >that is all that can be said.
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Oh? How do you know that? Have you asked them? If you have, what did
On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 21:24:25 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net >>>>dot nz> wrote:Wrong. Until they say they are considering water tax, there are no >>>intelligent
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:National have set up a task force to recommend to them what the tax >>>>should be. We are entitled to know what they plan to do - "Right", >>>>Tony?.
National knows there is a problem with water quality - they set up a >>>>>>working group to investigate solutions - but have not said whether >>>>>>they will or will not impose such a tax - while asking labour for fine >>>>>>detail of their proposals.Labour have said they will tax water, National have not said so. Therefore >>>>>even
a 5 year old would understand that we have the right to know the detail or >>>>>at
least more than has been announced of the Labour tax.
questions to ask.
they say? If you haven;t, what do you think the task force is for
then?
Well actually you lie a great deal - that is when you are not defaming people. An accusation of defamation without any evidence - isn't your
On the other hand Labour have said they will tax farmers soA total lack of any facts is not truth - and you have not shown any
questions are appropriate.
Actually I am biassed, I am biassed towards truth and opposed to liars like >>>you!
You cannot ask for detail of something that is not planned can you????? >>>>Of course you can - when the government have set up a tax task force >>>>for a change to our taxes, they should be able to at least say what >>>>they intend to do - you have not objected to the same questions being >>>>asked of Labour - are you biassed?
lie from me.
There are no facts in that link, only opinion!
Pick one of the numbered items and tell us why you think the facts >>>>given are wrong, Tony . . . .Nonsense>
This is Nat-spin
- see here for 10 good reasons why National shouldTony
not be supported >>>>>>http://werewolf.co.nz/2017/09/ten-reasons-for-not-voting-national/ >>>>>This is Labour spin!
Tony
Gordon <Gordon@clear.net.nz> wrote:They will be charging royalties to the businesses that use irrigated
On 2017-09-19, Tony <lizandtony> wrote:I doubt you are a liar, but you very dumb. All dairy farmers use massive >amounts of water. Labour will tax water used by farmers ergo Labour will be >taxing farmers. Can you follow that?
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 21:24:25 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net >>>>dot nz> wrote:Wrong. Until they say they are considering water tax, there are no >>>intelligent
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:National have set up a task force to recommend to them what the tax >>>>should be. We are entitled to know what they plan to do - "Right", >>>>Tony?.
National knows there is a problem with water quality - they set up a >>>>>>working group to invetigate solutions - but have not said whether >>>>>>they will or will not impose such a tax - while asking labour for fine >>>>>>detail of their proposals.Labour have said they will tax water, National have not said so. Therefore >>>>>even
a 5 year old would understand that we have the right to know the detail or >>>>>at
least more than has been announced of the Labour tax.
questions to ask. On the other hand Labour have said they will tax farmers >>>so
questions are appropriate.
This is how the spin starts. Labour is going to tax water, not farmers. Not >>all farmers use huge amounts of water.
Some dairy farmers do not irrigate.
Nevertheless, Labour is going to make all dairy farmers go broke in 6 months >>with the water tax. Now, look at that I am a liar HA!
It will put pressure on farmers and increase the cost of dairy produce to the >consumer, any tax on farm water will hurt your pocket. Very simple.
Tony
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 17:23:13 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:An accusation of defamation without any evidence - isn't your
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 02:07:24 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netStupid man - Labour will tax water they say, National are not saying that and >>that is all that can be said.
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Oh? How do you know that? Have you asked them? If you have, what did
On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 21:24:25 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net >>>>>dot nz> wrote:Wrong. Until they say they are considering water tax, there are no >>>>intelligent
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:National have set up a task force to recommend to them what the tax >>>>>should be. We are entitled to know what they plan to do - "Right", >>>>>Tony?.
National knows there is a problem with water quality - they set up a >>>>>>>working group to investigate solutions - but have not said whether >>>>>>>they will or will not impose such a tax - while asking labour for fine >>>>>>>detail of their proposals.Labour have said they will tax water, National have not said so. >>>>>>Therefore
even
a 5 year old would understand that we have the right to know the detail >>>>>>or
at
least more than has been announced of the Labour tax.
questions to ask.
they say? If you haven;t, what do you think the task force is for
then?
Well actually you lie a great deal - that is when you are not defaming people.
On the other hand Labour have said they will tax farmers soA total lack of any facts is not truth - and you have not shown any
questions are appropriate.
Actually I am biassed, I am biassed towards truth and opposed to liars like >>>>you!
You cannot ask for detail of something that is not planned can you????? >>>>>Of course you can - when the government have set up a tax task force >>>>>for a change to our taxes, they should be able to at least say what >>>>>they intend to do - you have not objected to the same questions being >>>>>asked of Labour - are you biassed?
lie from me.
statement effectively exactly what you falsely claim I may have done?
There are no facts in that link, only opinion!
Pick one of the numbered items and tell us why you think the facts >>>>>given are wrong, Tony . . . .Nonsense>
This is Nat-spin
- see here for 10 good reasons why National shouldTony
not be supported >>>>>>>http://werewolf.co.nz/2017/09/ten-reasons-for-not-voting-national/ >>>>>>This is Labour spin!
Tony
I agree, so why do you do that?Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 17:20:30 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netYou deliberately miss the point.
dot nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gordon@clear.net.nz> wrote:They will be charging royalties to the businesses that use irrigated
On 2017-09-19, Tony <lizandtony> wrote:I doubt you are a liar, but you very dumb. All dairy farmers use massive >> >>amounts of water. Labour will tax water used by farmers ergo Labour will >> >>be
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 21:24:25 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net >> >>>>>dot nz> wrote:Wrong. Until they say they are considering water tax, there are no
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:National have set up a task force to recommend to them what the tax
National knows there is a problem with water quality - they set up a >> >>>>>>>working group to invetigate solutions - but have not said whetherLabour have said they will tax water, National have not said so.
they will or will not impose such a tax - while asking labour for fine
detail of their proposals.
Therefore
even
a 5 year old would understand that we have the right to know the
detail
or
at
least more than has been announced of the Labour tax.
should be. We are entitled to know what they plan to do - "Right",
Tony?.
intelligent
questions to ask. On the other hand Labour have said they will tax
farmers
so
questions are appropriate.
This is how the spin starts. Labour is going to tax water, not farmers. >> >>>Not
all farmers use huge amounts of water.
Some dairy farmers do not irrigate.
Nevertheless, Labour is going to make all dairy farmers go broke in 6
months
with the water tax. Now, look at that I am a liar HA!
taxing farmers. Can you follow that?
water - many farms do not use extensive irrigation though . . .
It will put pressure on farmers and increase the cost of dairy produce to >> >>the
consumer, any tax on farm water will hurt your pocket. Very simple.
Tony
Milk prices have already increased - nothing to do with the royalty
that National has set up a task group to look into, or that which
Labour will investigate further when they take office. Do you know the
detail of what National have asked their working group to investigate?
Mlik production uses massive amounts of water independently of irrigation. >> Taxing those farmers will increase the price of dairy..
Many farmers irrigate nowadays and taxing them will increase the price of >>food
including meat etc.
What's missing is an authoritative estimate of the likely cost of any supposed >dairy tax affecting the weekly shopping trolley: e.g. number of tax cents per >unit volume of water, versus price change per litre of milk or 1kg of cheese, >etc. at the retail outlet.
When something comes gratis, it's invariably squandered and wasted. So >there's also the matter of disciplined use and conservation of water within the
dairy sector itself.
Until such provisos are considered, with estimates authenticated and made >known to the public, it can be only childish point-scoring speculation and >wittering parish-pump humbug.
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 17:20:30 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netYou deliberately miss the point.
dot nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gordon@clear.net.nz> wrote:They will be charging royalties to the businesses that use irrigated
On 2017-09-19, Tony <lizandtony> wrote:I doubt you are a liar, but you very dumb. All dairy farmers use massive >>amounts of water. Labour will tax water used by farmers ergo Labour will be >>taxing farmers. Can you follow that?
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 21:24:25 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net >>>>>dot nz> wrote:Wrong. Until they say they are considering water tax, there are no >>>>intelligent
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:National have set up a task force to recommend to them what the tax >>>>>should be. We are entitled to know what they plan to do - "Right", >>>>>Tony?.
National knows there is a problem with water quality - they set up a >>>>>>>working group to invetigate solutions - but have not said whether >>>>>>>they will or will not impose such a tax - while asking labour for fine >>>>>>>detail of their proposals.Labour have said they will tax water, National have not said so. >>>>>>Therefore
even
a 5 year old would understand that we have the right to know the detail >>>>>>or
at
least more than has been announced of the Labour tax.
questions to ask. On the other hand Labour have said they will tax farmers >>>>so
questions are appropriate.
This is how the spin starts. Labour is going to tax water, not farmers. Not >>>all farmers use huge amounts of water.
Some dairy farmers do not irrigate.
Nevertheless, Labour is going to make all dairy farmers go broke in 6 months >>>with the water tax. Now, look at that I am a liar HA!
water - many farms do not use extensive irrigation though . . .
It will put pressure on farmers and increase the cost of dairy produce to the >>consumer, any tax on farm water will hurt your pocket. Very simple.
Tony
Milk prices have already increased - nothing to do with the royalty
that National has set up a task group to look into, or that which
Labour will investigate further when they take office. Do you know the
detail of what National have asked their working group to investigate?
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:farmers
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 17:20:30 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gordon@clear.net.nz> wrote:
On 2017-09-19, Tony <lizandtony> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 21:24:25 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net >>>>>dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
National knows there is a problem with water quality - they set up a >>>>>>>working group to invetigate solutions - but have not said whether >>>>>>>they will or will not impose such a tax - while asking labour for fine >>>>>>>detail of their proposals.Labour have said they will tax water, National have not said so. >>>>>>Therefore
even
a 5 year old would understand that we have the right to know the detail
Wrong. Until they say they are considering water tax, there are no >>>>intelligentorNational have set up a task force to recommend to them what the tax >>>>>should be. We are entitled to know what they plan to do - "Right", >>>>>Tony?.
at
least more than has been announced of the Labour tax.
questions to ask. On the other hand Labour have said they will tax
Notso
questions are appropriate.
This is how the spin starts. Labour is going to tax water, not farmers.
monthsall farmers use huge amounts of water.
Some dairy farmers do not irrigate.
Nevertheless, Labour is going to make all dairy farmers go broke in 6
thewith the water tax. Now, look at that I am a liar HA!I doubt you are a liar, but you very dumb. All dairy farmers use massive >>amounts of water. Labour will tax water used by farmers ergo Labour will be
taxing farmers. Can you follow that?They will be charging royalties to the businesses that use irrigated
water - many farms do not use extensive irrigation though . . .
It will put pressure on farmers and increase the cost of dairy produce to
foodconsumer, any tax on farm water will hurt your pocket. Very simple.
Tony
Milk prices have already increased - nothing to do with the royaltyYou deliberately miss the point.
that National has set up a task group to look into, or that which
Labour will investigate further when they take office. Do you know the >detail of what National have asked their working group to investigate?
Mlik production uses massive amounts of water independently of irrigation. Taxing those farmers will increase the price of dairy..
Many farmers irrigate nowadays and taxing them will increase the price of
including meat etc.
On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 08:24:35 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:so
On 9/19/2017 8:56 PM, Gordon wrote:
On 2017-09-19, Tony <lizandtony> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 21:24:25 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net >>>>> dot nz> wrote:Wrong. Until they say they are considering water tax, there are no intelligent
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:National have set up a task force to recommend to them what the tax
National knows there is a problem with water quality - they set up a >>>>>>> working group to invetigate solutions - but have not said whether >>>>>>> they will or will not impose such a tax - while asking labour for fine >>>>>>> detail of their proposals.Labour have said they will tax water, National have not said so. Therefore
even
a 5 year old would understand that we have the right to know the detail or at
least more than has been announced of the Labour tax.
should be. We are entitled to know what they plan to do - "Right",
Tony?.
questions to ask. On the other hand Labour have said they will tax farmers
With record milk prices, now may be a good time to make a start onquestions are appropriate.
This is how the spin starts. Labour is going to tax water, not farmers. Not >>> all farmers use huge amounts of water.
Some dairy farmers do not irrigate.
Nevertheless, Labour is going to make all dairy farmers go broke in 6 months
with the water tax. Now, look at that I am a liar HA!
Dairying takes a lot of water.
Not so much for irrigation in the North Island but for the every day
running of the farm.
Cows in milk drink around 18-20 gallons a day each.
Out of milk, calves, weaners add to the load.
And then theres the hygiene in the shed and the yard where a lot of
water is required to wash down the areas.
Any increases cost is going to make dairying uneconomic with reduced
milk to the factory, reduced spending in the local towns, less staff on
farms as wages can't be paid.
cleaning up the damage from irrigation. There are other ways of
improving farming - different plants for food that capture nitrates,
better fencing, but it all has to be paid for. Given that most farms
are relatively unaffected, and the very big farms are best able to
change practices, I expect the task force that National has set up
will be able to come up with good recommendations on the level of
water royalties, the users that should pay, and how to integrate such royalties with timing and water sources so that where no damage is
being caused suitable adjustments can be made. The very low level of
royalty being talked about by Labour still leaves the bulk of the cost
on taxpayers - which in itself explains why the further tax cuts
promised by National if they stay in government went too far.
Then those small towns start to shut down and cut back as the money
dries up.
Is that what you liebor bots really want
Of course not - and Labour is likely to put life into many of those
regional communities that have experienced a decline over the last 9
years.
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 17:20:30 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gordon@clear.net.nz> wrote:They will be charging royalties to the businesses that use irrigated
On 2017-09-19, Tony <lizandtony> wrote:I doubt you are a liar, but you very dumb. All dairy farmers use massive
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 21:24:25 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net >>>>> dot nz> wrote:Wrong. Until they say they are considering water tax, there are no
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:National have set up a task force to recommend to them what the tax
National knows there is a problem with water quality - they set up a >>>>>>> working group to invetigate solutions - but have not said whether >>>>>>> they will or will not impose such a tax - while asking labour for fine >>>>>>> detail of their proposals.Labour have said they will tax water, National have not said so. Therefore
even
a 5 year old would understand that we have the right to know the detail or
at
least more than has been announced of the Labour tax.
should be. We are entitled to know what they plan to do - "Right",
Tony?.
intelligent
questions to ask. On the other hand Labour have said they will tax farmers >>>> so
questions are appropriate.
This is how the spin starts. Labour is going to tax water, not farmers. Not >>> all farmers use huge amounts of water.
Some dairy farmers do not irrigate.
Nevertheless, Labour is going to make all dairy farmers go broke in 6 months
with the water tax. Now, look at that I am a liar HA!
amounts of water. Labour will tax water used by farmers ergo Labour will be >> taxing farmers. Can you follow that?
water - many farms do not use extensive irrigation though . . .
It will put pressure on farmers and increase the cost of dairy produce to the
consumer, any tax on farm water will hurt your pocket. Very simple.
Tony
Milk prices have already increased - nothing to do with the royalty
that National has set up a task group to look into, or that which
Labour will investigate further when they take office. Do you know the
detail of what National have asked their working group to investigate?
On 9/20/2017 12:04 AM, Pooh wrote:
On 19/09/2017 8:56 a.m., Rich80105 wrote:Evidently didn't take heed of the unionised teachers when he was at school. Reading, rioting and red was all he did
National knows there is a problem with water quality - they set up a
working group to invetigate solutions - but have not said whether
they will or will not imose such a tax - while asking labour for fine
detail of their proposals.
This is Nat-spin - see here for 10 good reasons why National should
not be supported
http://werewolf.co.nz/2017/09/ten-reasons-for-not-voting-national/
Wrong as usual Rich. Not Nat-spin as yo put it but what the voters
need to know to make their decision who to vote for. Not giving fine
detail is extremely dodgy and typical of many of your posts. Jacindas
bleating 'foul' is just the pathetic cry of your typical marxist flake
again very reminiscent of your own behaviour in this ng. Have you been
giving her snowflake lessons Rich?
Now for ten reasons for not voting Labour: Jacinta, Andrew, Kelvin,
Grant, Phil, Megan, Chris, Carmel, Dr David and David.
btw Rich. What does invetigate and imose mean? :)
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Guess dreams are free and pots easy to avail yourself of Rich. Much of
that decline is due to Labours mismanagement 1999-2008.
National knows there is a problem with water quality - they set up a
working group to invetigate solutions - but have not said whether
they will or will not imose such a tax - while asking labour for fine
detail of their proposals.
This is Nat-spin - see here for 10 good reasons why National should
not be supported >http://werewolf.co.nz/2017/09/ten-reasons-for-not-voting-national/
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