• Reality TV, Kiwi-style

    From jmschristophers@gmail.com@3:770/3 to All on Wednesday, August 30, 2017 17:38:36
    The other day in its 'World Business Report' segment, BBC World News included a
    rare item focussing on New Zealand's famed dynamic economy. Nothing exceptional about this kind of thing of course since, be it minnow or mega-corporate, dear old Auntie
    embraces the entire globe without bias, fear or favour.

    But this time it was New Zealand's turn, and what a rare moment it turned out to be! Was this, indeed, a world-first and likely to set a global trend with New Zealand right up there again, punching above it weight? Was this report the really big stuff
    such as the country's drive-by budget surplus? Or was it news of some startling
    high-tech innovation placing the nation on the cusp of something bigger than mortal man had ever previously known, sweeping aside - nay dwarfing - all previous invention and
    innovation?

    Well, not quite.

    The segment featured a few sweet old codgers and biddies in some back-country garage, tacking together their own coffins. The old codgers were doing all the
    cutting and planing and hammering while the biddies primped and fluffed the coffin paddings and
    linings, stapling them into their bespoke and soon-to-be-occupied burial caskets as if to the manner born.

    One lovely old duck - I kid you not - even favoured the viewer with a shot of her rehearsing for her big day by assuming a recumbent posture in her own completed purple-lined coffin. Luckily the viewer was spared the grisly sight of the lid then being
    hammered down and box cum biddy being buried six feet under to assure her she'd
    be getting her money's worth.

    Poignancy and mirth brought to a bug-eyed world, all done up in a pine box from
    down under. And, with typical BBC graciousness, without even a hint of a smirk
    from the studio presenter.

    But best of all, New Zealand has now given a whole new meaning to the term, "Doing Reality TV to death,"

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  • From JohnO@3:770/3 to jmschri...@gmail.com on Wednesday, August 30, 2017 17:41:12
    On Thursday, 31 August 2017 12:38:38 UTC+12, jmschri...@gmail.com wrote:
    The other day in its 'World Business Report' segment, BBC World News included
    a rare item focussing on New Zealand's famed dynamic economy. Nothing exceptional about this kind of thing of course since, be it minnow or mega-corporate, dear old Auntie
    embraces the entire globe without bias, fear or favour.

    But this time it was New Zealand's turn, and what a rare moment it turned out
    to be! Was this, indeed, a world-first and likely to set a global trend with New Zealand right up there again, punching above it weight? Was this report the really big
    stuff such as the country's drive-by budget surplus? Or was it news of some startling high-tech innovation placing the nation on the cusp of something bigger than mortal man had ever previously known, sweeping aside - nay dwarfing
    - all previous
    invention and innovation?

    Well, not quite.

    The segment featured a few sweet old codgers and biddies in some back-country
    garage, tacking together their own coffins. The old codgers were doing all the
    cutting and planing and hammering while the biddies primped and fluffed the coffin paddings
    and linings, stapling them into their bespoke and soon-to-be-occupied burial caskets as if to the manner born.

    One lovely old duck - I kid you not - even favoured the viewer with a shot of
    her rehearsing for her big day by assuming a recumbent posture in her own completed purple-lined coffin. Luckily the viewer was spared the grisly sight of the lid then being
    hammered down and box cum biddy being buried six feet under to assure her she'd
    be getting her money's worth.

    Poignancy and mirth brought to a bug-eyed world, all done up in a pine box
    from down under. And, with typical BBC graciousness, without even a hint of a smirk from the studio presenter.

    But best of all, New Zealand has now given a whole new meaning to the term,
    "Doing Reality TV to death,"

    That you bothered to expend all that time and effort typing out your post tells
    us a lot about your day, Keith. Much more remarkable that the BBC story itself.

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  • From BR@3:770/3 to All on Thursday, August 31, 2017 17:09:27
    On Wed, 30 Aug 2017 17:38:36 -0700 (PDT), jmschristophers@gmail.com
    wrote:

    ....dear old Auntie embraces the entire globe without bias, fear or favour.

    The BBC? Without bias? This is a joke right?

    Bill.

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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to JohnO on Thursday, August 31, 2017 22:34:59
    On 31/08/2017 12:41 p.m., JohnO wrote:
    On Thursday, 31 August 2017 12:38:38 UTC+12, jmschri...@gmail.com wrote:
    The other day in its 'World Business Report' segment, BBC World News included a rare item focussing on New Zealand's famed dynamic economy. Nothing
    exceptional about this kind of thing of course since, be it minnow or mega-corporate, dear old Auntie
    embraces the entire globe without bias, fear or favour.

    But this time it was New Zealand's turn, and what a rare moment it turned out to be! Was this, indeed, a world-first and likely to set a global trend with New Zealand right up there again, punching above it weight? Was this report the really big
    stuff such as the country's drive-by budget surplus? Or was it news of some startling high-tech innovation placing the nation on the cusp of something bigger than mortal man had ever previously known, sweeping aside - nay dwarfing
    - all previous
    invention and innovation?

    Well, not quite.

    The segment featured a few sweet old codgers and biddies in some back-country garage, tacking together their own coffins. The old codgers were doing all the cutting and planing and hammering while the biddies primped and fluffed the coffin paddings
    and linings, stapling them into their bespoke and soon-to-be-occupied burial caskets as if to the manner born.

    One lovely old duck - I kid you not - even favoured the viewer with a shot of her rehearsing for her big day by assuming a recumbent posture in her own completed purple-lined coffin. Luckily the viewer was spared the grisly sight of the lid then
    being hammered down and box cum biddy being buried six feet under to assure her
    she'd be getting her money's worth.

    Poignancy and mirth brought to a bug-eyed world, all done up in a pine box from down under. And, with typical BBC graciousness, without even a hint of a smirk from the studio presenter.

    But best of all, New Zealand has now given a whole new meaning to the term, "Doing Reality TV to death,"

    That you bothered to expend all that time and effort typing out your post
    tells us a lot about your day, Keith. Much more remarkable that the BBC story itself.


    That with Keith's superior education I'd have thought he wouldn't
    confuse a quirky story with 'reality TV' :)

    Pooh

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  • From jmschristophers@gmail.com@3:770/3 to All on Thursday, August 31, 2017 14:00:17
    On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 5:09:29 PM UTC+12, BR wrote:
    On Wed, 30 Aug 2017 17:38:36 -0700 (PDT), jmschristophers@gmail.com
    wrote:

    ....dear old Auntie embraces the entire globe without bias, fear or favour.

    The BBC? Without bias? This is a joke right?

    So you can't tell. Not so surprising.

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  • From BR@3:770/3 to All on Saturday, September 02, 2017 07:14:40
    On Thu, 31 Aug 2017 14:00:17 -0700 (PDT), jmschristophers@gmail.com
    wrote:

    On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 5:09:29 PM UTC+12, BR wrote:
    On Wed, 30 Aug 2017 17:38:36 -0700 (PDT), jmschristophers@gmail.com
    wrote:

    ....dear old Auntie embraces the entire globe without bias, fear or favour. >>
    The BBC? Without bias? This is a joke right?

    So you can't tell. Not so surprising.

    No, I think you actually believe it.

    All public broadcasters represent only the bureaucracy. It is who they
    are.

    Bill.

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  • From george152@3:770/3 to All on Saturday, September 02, 2017 08:10:18
    On 9/2/2017 7:14 AM, BR wrote:

    No, I think you actually believe it.

    All public broadcasters represent only the bureaucracy. It is who they
    are.


    And all those 'media' people are 'trained' nowadays by Universities and
    them as agree with the lecturers get the prime jobs.
    Used to be that newspapers trained their own reporters and editorial
    staff but now they arrive on the front door with a degree and embedded
    biases.
    Which accounts for why the blogs are now taking over the 'news' as they
    declare their bias when you click on the site...


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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to gblack@hnpl.net on Saturday, September 02, 2017 09:40:44
    On Sat, 2 Sep 2017 08:10:18 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

    On 9/2/2017 7:14 AM, BR wrote:

    No, I think you actually believe it.

    All public broadcasters represent only the bureaucracy. It is who they
    are.


    And all those 'media' people are 'trained' nowadays by Universities and
    them as agree with the lecturers get the prime jobs.
    Used to be that newspapers trained their own reporters and editorial
    staff but now they arrive on the front door with a degree and embedded >biases.
    Which accounts for why the blogs are now taking over the 'news' as they >declare their bias when you click on the site...

    Which explains a general fascination with "affirmation bias" - evident
    in the popularity of Kiwiblog and The Standard, but is also related to
    the reduction in professional and investigative journalism, and the
    decline in newspapers. As an example of partisan "journalism, you will
    be aware of the "mistake" made by Farrar in telling people that
    Winston Peters would have had a letter about NZ Superannuation each
    year - gleefully picked by the far-right as confirmation of their
    ideal of WINZ as a totally untrusting authoritarian regime working on
    rooting out undesirable fraudsters . . .

    Broadcasters that are not journalists are often wrapped up in their
    prejudices - they love 'winners' and are obsessed by polls to form
    their own opinion, while holding extreme and simplistic positions on
    many issues of the day. Witness the sycophantic Mike Hosking, whose
    adoration for the shallow John Key was transferred to Bill English,
    who has the bad luck to find that the same convenient lying just
    doesn't work as well now that we can see the disastrous results of
    National's policies. For a couple of contrasts to that depressing view
    of the media, see:

    https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2017/09/01/45677/election2017-english-factcheck (this article is all the more interesting for the contrast with the
    "Fact Check" website found to be sponsored by the National Party that
    turned out to be run by hte National Party and only ever identified
    issues they disagreed with from parties other than National!)

    and when available, the intereview on Radio New Zealand this morning
    by Kim Hill with Ian Shirley

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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to All on Wednesday, September 06, 2017 01:08:19
    On 2/09/2017 9:40 a.m., Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sat, 2 Sep 2017 08:10:18 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

    On 9/2/2017 7:14 AM, BR wrote:

    No, I think you actually believe it.

    All public broadcasters represent only the bureaucracy. It is who they
    are.


    And all those 'media' people are 'trained' nowadays by Universities and
    them as agree with the lecturers get the prime jobs.
    Used to be that newspapers trained their own reporters and editorial
    staff but now they arrive on the front door with a degree and embedded
    biases.
    Which accounts for why the blogs are now taking over the 'news' as they
    declare their bias when you click on the site...

    Which explains a general fascination with "affirmation bias" - evident
    in the popularity of Kiwiblog and The Standard, but is also related to
    the reduction in professional and investigative journalism, and the
    decline in newspapers. As an example of partisan "journalism, you will
    be aware of the "mistake" made by Farrar in telling people that
    Winston Peters would have had a letter about NZ Superannuation each
    year - gleefully picked by the far-right as confirmation of their
    ideal of WINZ as a totally untrusting authoritarian regime working on
    rooting out undesirable fraudsters . . .

    Broadcasters that are not journalists are often wrapped up in their prejudices - they love 'winners' and are obsessed by polls to form
    their own opinion, while holding extreme and simplistic positions on
    many issues of the day. Witness the sycophantic Mike Hosking, whose
    adoration for the shallow John Key was transferred to Bill English,
    who has the bad luck to find that the same convenient lying just
    doesn't work as well now that we can see the disastrous results of
    National's policies. For a couple of contrasts to that depressing view
    of the media, see:

    https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2017/09/01/45677/election2017-english-factcheck (this article is all the more interesting for the contrast with the
    "Fact Check" website found to be sponsored by the National Party that
    turned out to be run by hte National Party and only ever identified
    issues they disagreed with from parties other than National!)


    Good grief Rich. You sure you're not confusing this site with theStranded?

    and when available, the intereview on Radio New Zealand this morning
    by Kim Hill with Ian Shirley


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  • From george152@3:770/3 to Pooh on Wednesday, September 06, 2017 08:18:19
    On 9/6/2017 1:08 AM, Pooh wrote:
    On 2/09/2017 9:40 a.m., Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sat, 2 Sep 2017 08:10:18 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

    On 9/2/2017 7:14 AM, BR wrote:

    No, I think you actually believe it.

    All public broadcasters represent only the bureaucracy. It is who they >>>> are.


    And all those 'media' people are 'trained' nowadays by Universities and
    them as agree with the lecturers get the prime jobs.
    Used to be that newspapers trained their own reporters and editorial
    staff but now they arrive on the front door with a degree and embedded
    biases.
    Which accounts for why the blogs are now taking over the 'news' as they
    declare their bias when you click on the site...

    Which explains a general fascination with "affirmation bias" - evident
    in the popularity of Kiwiblog and The Standard, but is also related to
    the reduction in professional and investigative journalism, and the
    decline in newspapers. As an example of partisan "journalism, you will
    be aware of the "mistake" made by Farrar in telling people that
    Winston Peters would have had a letter about NZ Superannuation each
    year - gleefully picked by the far-right as confirmation of their
    ideal of WINZ as a totally untrusting authoritarian regime working on
    rooting out undesirable fraudsters . . .

    Broadcasters that are not journalists are often wrapped up in their
    prejudices - they love 'winners' and are obsessed by polls to form
    their own opinion, while holding extreme and simplistic positions on
    many issues of the day. Witness the sycophantic Mike Hosking, whose
    adoration for the shallow John Key was transferred to Bill English,
    who has the bad luck to find that the same convenient lying just
    doesn't work as well now that we can see the disastrous results of
    National's policies. For a couple of contrasts to that depressing view
    of the media, see:

    https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2017/09/01/45677/election2017-english-factcheck >>
    (this article is all the more interesting for the contrast with the
    "Fact Check" website found to be sponsored by the National Party that
    turned out to be run by hte National Party and only ever identified
    issues they disagreed with from parties other than National!)


    Good grief Rich. You sure you're not confusing this site with theStranded?

    I wonder if he heard the attempted hit job on the Nats this morning on Breakfast.
    Appears that these 'reporters' are doing liebors job for them.
    And all these quoted 'experts' who just happen to have liebor
    credentials and leanings opine differently from the current Minister of
    Finance who has somewhat more experience at running an economy than them


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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to gblack@hnpl.net on Friday, September 08, 2017 23:18:38
    On Wed, 6 Sep 2017 08:18:19 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

    On 9/6/2017 1:08 AM, Pooh wrote:
    On 2/09/2017 9:40 a.m., Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sat, 2 Sep 2017 08:10:18 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

    On 9/2/2017 7:14 AM, BR wrote:

    No, I think you actually believe it.

    All public broadcasters represent only the bureaucracy. It is who they >>>>> are.


    And all those 'media' people are 'trained' nowadays by Universities and >>>> them as agree with the lecturers get the prime jobs.
    Used to be that newspapers trained their own reporters and editorial
    staff but now they arrive on the front door with a degree and embedded >>>> biases.
    Which accounts for why the blogs are now taking over the 'news' as they >>>> declare their bias when you click on the site...

    Which explains a general fascination with "affirmation bias" - evident
    in the popularity of Kiwiblog and The Standard, but is also related to
    the reduction in professional and investigative journalism, and the
    decline in newspapers. As an example of partisan "journalism, you will
    be aware of the "mistake" made by Farrar in telling people that
    Winston Peters would have had a letter about NZ Superannuation each
    year - gleefully picked by the far-right as confirmation of their
    ideal of WINZ as a totally untrusting authoritarian regime working on
    rooting out undesirable fraudsters . . .

    Broadcasters that are not journalists are often wrapped up in their
    prejudices - they love 'winners' and are obsessed by polls to form
    their own opinion, while holding extreme and simplistic positions on
    many issues of the day. Witness the sycophantic Mike Hosking, whose
    adoration for the shallow John Key was transferred to Bill English,
    who has the bad luck to find that the same convenient lying just
    doesn't work as well now that we can see the disastrous results of
    National's policies. For a couple of contrasts to that depressing view
    of the media, see:

    https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2017/09/01/45677/election2017-english-factcheck >>>
    (this article is all the more interesting for the contrast with the
    "Fact Check" website found to be sponsored by the National Party that
    turned out to be run by hte National Party and only ever identified
    issues they disagreed with from parties other than National!)


    Good grief Rich. You sure you're not confusing this site with theStranded? >>
    I wonder if he heard the attempted hit job on the Nats this morning on >Breakfast.
    Appears that these 'reporters' are doing liebors job for them.
    And all these quoted 'experts' who just happen to have liebor
    credentials and leanings opine differently from the current Minister of >Finance who has somewhat more experience at running an economy than them

    National's lies about an 11 billion "hole" have just shown up the
    incompetence of Joyce - even Kiwiblog amended their story. With
    National, lies are OK provided you get away with it - so Joyce is
    either an incompetent liar or an incompetent reader of accounts -
    either way its hurting National more than Labour.

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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to All on Saturday, September 09, 2017 00:47:03
    On 8/09/2017 11:18 p.m., Rich80105 wrote:
    On Wed, 6 Sep 2017 08:18:19 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

    On 9/6/2017 1:08 AM, Pooh wrote:
    On 2/09/2017 9:40 a.m., Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sat, 2 Sep 2017 08:10:18 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

    On 9/2/2017 7:14 AM, BR wrote:

    No, I think you actually believe it.

    All public broadcasters represent only the bureaucracy. It is who they >>>>>> are.


    And all those 'media' people are 'trained' nowadays by Universities and >>>>> them as agree with the lecturers get the prime jobs.
    Used to be that newspapers trained their own reporters and editorial >>>>> staff but now they arrive on the front door with a degree and embedded >>>>> biases.
    Which accounts for why the blogs are now taking over the 'news' as they >>>>> declare their bias when you click on the site...

    Which explains a general fascination with "affirmation bias" - evident >>>> in the popularity of Kiwiblog and The Standard, but is also related to >>>> the reduction in professional and investigative journalism, and the
    decline in newspapers. As an example of partisan "journalism, you will >>>> be aware of the "mistake" made by Farrar in telling people that
    Winston Peters would have had a letter about NZ Superannuation each
    year - gleefully picked by the far-right as confirmation of their
    ideal of WINZ as a totally untrusting authoritarian regime working on
    rooting out undesirable fraudsters . . .

    Broadcasters that are not journalists are often wrapped up in their
    prejudices - they love 'winners' and are obsessed by polls to form
    their own opinion, while holding extreme and simplistic positions on
    many issues of the day. Witness the sycophantic Mike Hosking, whose
    adoration for the shallow John Key was transferred to Bill English,
    who has the bad luck to find that the same convenient lying just
    doesn't work as well now that we can see the disastrous results of
    National's policies. For a couple of contrasts to that depressing view >>>> of the media, see:

    https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2017/09/01/45677/election2017-english-factcheck >>>>
    (this article is all the more interesting for the contrast with the
    "Fact Check" website found to be sponsored by the National Party that
    turned out to be run by hte National Party and only ever identified
    issues they disagreed with from parties other than National!)


    Good grief Rich. You sure you're not confusing this site with theStranded? >>>
    I wonder if he heard the attempted hit job on the Nats this morning on
    Breakfast.
    Appears that these 'reporters' are doing liebors job for them.
    And all these quoted 'experts' who just happen to have liebor
    credentials and leanings opine differently from the current Minister of
    Finance who has somewhat more experience at running an economy than them

    National's lies about an 11 billion "hole" have just shown up the incompetence of Joyce - even Kiwiblog amended their story. With
    National, lies are OK provided you get away with it - so Joyce is
    either an incompetent liar or an incompetent reader of accounts -
    either way its hurting National more than Labour.

    Yup it's Jacintas drive to tax everything that'll be Labours downfall.
    In particular her refusal to give any details as to what she's NOT
    planning to tax.

    Vote Labour the tax and borrow party! :)

    Pooh

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  • From jmschristophers@gmail.com@3:770/3 to All on Friday, September 08, 2017 16:03:59
    On Friday, September 8, 2017 at 11:18:38 PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Wed, 6 Sep 2017 08:18:19 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

    On 9/6/2017 1:08 AM, Pooh wrote:
    On 2/09/2017 9:40 a.m., Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sat, 2 Sep 2017 08:10:18 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

    On 9/2/2017 7:14 AM, BR wrote:

    No, I think you actually believe it.

    All public broadcasters represent only the bureaucracy. It is who they >>>>> are.


    And all those 'media' people are 'trained' nowadays by Universities and >>>> them as agree with the lecturers get the prime jobs.
    Used to be that newspapers trained their own reporters and editorial >>>> staff but now they arrive on the front door with a degree and embedded >>>> biases.
    Which accounts for why the blogs are now taking over the 'news' as they >>>> declare their bias when you click on the site...

    Which explains a general fascination with "affirmation bias" - evident >>> in the popularity of Kiwiblog and The Standard, but is also related to >>> the reduction in professional and investigative journalism, and the
    decline in newspapers. As an example of partisan "journalism, you will >>> be aware of the "mistake" made by Farrar in telling people that
    Winston Peters would have had a letter about NZ Superannuation each
    year - gleefully picked by the far-right as confirmation of their
    ideal of WINZ as a totally untrusting authoritarian regime working on
    rooting out undesirable fraudsters . . .

    Broadcasters that are not journalists are often wrapped up in their
    prejudices - they love 'winners' and are obsessed by polls to form
    their own opinion, while holding extreme and simplistic positions on
    many issues of the day. Witness the sycophantic Mike Hosking, whose
    adoration for the shallow John Key was transferred to Bill English,
    who has the bad luck to find that the same convenient lying just
    doesn't work as well now that we can see the disastrous results of
    National's policies. For a couple of contrasts to that depressing view >>> of the media, see:

    https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2017/09/01/45677/election2017-english-factcheck

    (this article is all the more interesting for the contrast with the
    "Fact Check" website found to be sponsored by the National Party that
    turned out to be run by hte National Party and only ever identified
    issues they disagreed with from parties other than National!)


    Good grief Rich. You sure you're not confusing this site with theStranded? >>
    I wonder if he heard the attempted hit job on the Nats this morning on >Breakfast.
    Appears that these 'reporters' are doing liebors job for them.
    And all these quoted 'experts' who just happen to have liebor
    credentials and leanings opine differently from the current Minister of >Finance who has somewhat more experience at running an economy than them

    National's lies about an 11 billion "hole" have just shown up the incompetence of Joyce - even Kiwiblog amended their story. With
    National, lies are OK provided you get away with it - so Joyce is
    either an incompetent liar or an incompetent reader of accounts -
    either way its hurting National more than Labour.


    Having been tutored by the family parrot to blurt drivel, the grocer's son decided animal care was to be his life's work. So he enrolled in a tertiary institution where he distinguished himself by failing to make the grade in veterinary science.
    Undeterred, the blethering twerp then took the low road and gained a degree in zoo-keeping, which somehow seems ever-increasingly apt the more you get to discover about him.

    But that's not all.

    Joyce also took eleven economics papers at Massey from 1984 to 1986 and failed eight of these through insufficient grade, withdrawal, or failure to complete.

    Note those two woefully significant words that appear in his stellar Wikipedia encomium: 'insufficient' and 'failure.'

    So there is no doubt that the fake who currently has stewardship of the nation's finances has neither the mental capacity nor the intellectual rigour to get his numbers right. Little wonder, then, that the fast-talking chump has
    no recourse but to hit
    the gutter and emulate the very broadcasting network that he sired: making shit
    up to appear credible.

    As for Joyce's $11 Billion 'black hole', not one statistician or economist has come forward to support him in his allegation. So it's 100% certain that Joyce
    is either an innumerate fantasist or a bare-faced liar. Or, more likely, both.

    No other possibilities exist.

    He should be given the bum's rush and sent back to where, in his heart of hearts, he knows he truly belongs, doing what he's so conspicuously qualified to do:

    Tutoring the parrots in gobbledegook and mucking out the camel stalls at Wellington zoo.

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