• Unedifying ...

    From JohnO@3:770/3 to All on Sunday, December 18, 2016 14:33:56
    ... is the word that comes to mind, viewing Labour list MPs scurrying around like cockroaches exposed to the light, as they frantically search for a safe seat to rescue their political careers.

    Jacinda looks to have Mt Albert in the bag, after years of failure in Auckland Central. At least she has a connection with the place.

    Angry little Andy, having transformed safe Labour seat New Plymouth into safe National, has been sniffing Annette's seat in Rongotai. But not so fast, Andy. There's an actual Rongotai local in the running and the locals like him. Will Andy be parachuted
    in against the local's wishes? Why not, that's how Labour's central planning rolls.

    The reason for all this scurrying is, of course, that Labour's polling is so miserably low, that they could well end up with *no* list seats - bye bye Angry
    little Andy!

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  • From Fred@3:770/3 to JohnO on Monday, December 19, 2016 13:11:36
    On 19/12/2016 11:33 AM, JohnO wrote:
    ... is the word that comes to mind, viewing Labour list MPs scurrying around
    like cockroaches exposed to the light, as they frantically search for a safe seat to rescue their political careers.

    Jacinda looks to have Mt Albert in the bag, after years of failure in
    Auckland Central. At least she has a connection with the place.

    Angry little Andy, having transformed safe Labour seat New Plymouth into safe
    National, has been sniffing Annette's seat in Rongotai. But not so fast, Andy. There's an actual Rongotai local in the running and the locals like him. Will Andy be
    parachuted in against the local's wishes? Why not, that's how Labour's central planning rolls.

    The reason for all this scurrying is, of course, that Labour's polling is so
    miserably low, that they could well end up with *no* list seats - bye bye Angry
    little Andy!


    Hadn't thought of that, although they will have. Be a bit of a laugh if
    that happened.

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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to JohnO on Monday, December 19, 2016 17:30:12
    On 19/12/2016 11:33 a.m., JohnO wrote:
    ... is the word that comes to mind, viewing Labour list MPs scurrying around
    like cockroaches exposed to the light, as they frantically search for a safe seat to rescue their political careers.

    Jacinda looks to have Mt Albert in the bag, after years of failure in
    Auckland Central. At least she has a connection with the place.

    Angry little Andy, having transformed safe Labour seat New Plymouth into safe
    National, has been sniffing Annette's seat in Rongotai. But not so fast, Andy. There's an actual Rongotai local in the running and the locals like him. Will Andy be
    parachuted in against the local's wishes? Why not, that's how Labour's central planning rolls.

    The reason for all this scurrying is, of course, that Labour's polling is so
    miserably low, that they could well end up with *no* list seats - bye bye Angry
    little Andy!


    Yup. N' Angry Andy isn't quite dumb enough to take his name off the list because he knows he'd be the kiss of death for any safe Labour seat :)

    Pooh

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  • From Gordon@3:770/3 to Pooh on Monday, December 19, 2016 05:32:11
    On 2016-12-19, Pooh <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 19/12/2016 11:33 a.m., JohnO wrote:
    ... is the word that comes to mind, viewing Labour list MPs scurrying around
    like cockroaches exposed to the light, as they frantically search for a safe seat to rescue their political careers.

    Jacinda looks to have Mt Albert in the bag, after years of failure in Auckland Central. At least she has a connection with the place.

    Angry little Andy, having transformed safe Labour seat New Plymouth into safe National, has been sniffing Annette's seat in Rongotai. But not so fast, Andy. There's an actual Rongotai local in the running and the locals like him. Will Andy be
    parachuted in against the local's wishes? Why not, that's how Labour's central planning rolls.

    The reason for all this scurrying is, of course, that Labour's polling is so
    miserably low, that they could well end up with *no* list seats - bye bye Angry
    little Andy!


    Yup. N' Angry Andy isn't quite dumb enough to take his name off the list because he knows he'd be the kiss of death for any safe Labour seat :)

    This I have to see. It is my belief that you could put any franchised
    person in a safe seat and they would be elected if they were standing
    for the "right" party.

    Brownlee MP, is not exactly liked in Christchurch and yet he is in a

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  • From Tony @3:770/3 to Gordon on Monday, December 19, 2016 00:11:41
    Gordon <Gordon@clear.net.nz> wrote:
    On 2016-12-19, Pooh <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 19/12/2016 11:33 a.m., JohnO wrote:
    ... is the word that comes to mind, viewing Labour list MPs scurrying >>>around like cockroaches exposed to the light, as they frantically search for
    a
    safe seat to rescue their political careers.

    Jacinda looks to have Mt Albert in the bag, after years of failure in >>>Auckland Central. At least she has a connection with the place.

    Angry little Andy, having transformed safe Labour seat New Plymouth into >>>safe National, has been sniffing Annette's seat in Rongotai. But not so fast,
    Andy. There's an actual Rongotai local in the running and the locals like him.
    Will Andy be parachuted in against the local's wishes? Why not, that's how >>>Labour's central planning rolls.

    The reason for all this scurrying is, of course, that Labour's polling is >>>so miserably low, that they could well end up with *no* list seats - bye bye >>>Angry little Andy!


    Yup. N' Angry Andy isn't quite dumb enough to take his name off the list
    because he knows he'd be the kiss of death for any safe Labour seat :)

    This I have to see. It is my belief that you could put any franchised
    person in a safe seat and they would be elected if they were standing
    for the "right" party.

    Brownlee MP, is not exactly liked in Christchurch and yet he is in a
    Your post was incomplete, maybe it was my server but the issue with Mr. Brownlee is quite simple.
    He has a job to do that no New Zealander has ever had to do before; a job that few people world wide have ever had to do before and it is critical to remember that the relative wealth of other nations faced with a Christchurch or Kaikoura like disaster is a major factor and makes it so much harder for us.
    He is doing a job that carries huge pressure, as do all jobs conducted by seriously committed cabinet ministers and yet the opposition can only criticise and refer to his size.
    Could you do the job? I really don't think so!
    Labour are into character assassination, not reasond criticism of performance and for that reason alone should be condemned to oblivion.
    I just hope that a competent opposition will rise from the ashes!


    Tony

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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to Gordon on Monday, December 19, 2016 19:16:04
    On 19/12/2016 6:32 p.m., Gordon wrote:
    On 2016-12-19, Pooh <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 19/12/2016 11:33 a.m., JohnO wrote:
    ... is the word that comes to mind, viewing Labour list MPs scurrying around like cockroaches exposed to the light, as they frantically search for a safe seat to rescue their political careers.

    Jacinda looks to have Mt Albert in the bag, after years of failure in Auckland Central. At least she has a connection with the place.

    Angry little Andy, having transformed safe Labour seat New Plymouth into safe National, has been sniffing Annette's seat in Rongotai. But not so fast, Andy. There's an actual Rongotai local in the running and the locals like him. Will Andy be
    parachuted in against the local's wishes? Why not, that's how Labour's central planning rolls.

    The reason for all this scurrying is, of course, that Labour's polling is so miserably low, that they could well end up with *no* list seats - bye bye Angry little Andy!


    Yup. N' Angry Andy isn't quite dumb enough to take his name off the list
    because he knows he'd be the kiss of death for any safe Labour seat :)

    This I have to see. It is my belief that you could put any franchised
    person in a safe seat and they would be elected if they were standing
    for the "right" party.

    Brownlee MP, is not exactly liked in Christchurch and yet he is in a


    Explain New Plymouth then. Once it was Labours then in 2008 National won
    it by a whisker. Then Little stood and the bottom dropped out of Labours
    share of the vote!?

    Pooh

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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to Gordon on Monday, December 19, 2016 22:05:49
    On 19 Dec 2016 05:32:11 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@clear.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2016-12-19, Pooh <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 19/12/2016 11:33 a.m., JohnO wrote:
    ... is the word that comes to mind, viewing Labour list MPs scurrying around like cockroaches exposed to the light, as they frantically search for a safe seat to rescue their political careers.

    Jacinda looks to have Mt Albert in the bag, after years of failure in Auckland Central. At least she has a connection with the place.

    Angry little Andy, having transformed safe Labour seat New Plymouth into safe National, has been sniffing Annette's seat in Rongotai. But not so fast, Andy. There's an actual Rongotai local in the running and the locals like him. Will Andy be
    parachuted in against the local's wishes? Why not, that's how Labour's central planning rolls.

    The reason for all this scurrying is, of course, that Labour's polling is so miserably low, that they could well end up with *no* list seats - bye bye Angry little Andy!


    Yup. N' Angry Andy isn't quite dumb enough to take his name off the list
    because he knows he'd be the kiss of death for any safe Labour seat :)

    This I have to see. It is my belief that you could put any franchised
    person in a safe seat and they would be elected if they were standing
    for the "right" party.

    Brownlee MP, is not exactly liked in Christchurch and yet he is in a

    safe seat.

    One of the good things that the government has finally done is to
    ensure that the process for the latest eathquake claims is better than
    for the large Christchurch ones - all claims are directed through the
    private insurer who acts as agent for EQC. I have expressed my view in
    this group that Brownlee should have sat with EQC and the insurers and engineers when the 2nd Chch quake happened and sorted out the process
    to reduce the infighting and double/triple handling caused by the
    complex process. That a little of this has evidently happened is most
    welcome.

    Of course the changes have been made with little consultation, and as
    is National's way they have undoubtedly been resolved in favour of the
    private companies - we do not knew the level of charges paid to the
    private insurers for acting as agent for EQC, and we do not know the
    extent to which there is a perverse incentive to accept otherwise
    questionable claims on behalf of EQC, or whether there is any checking
    / audit on claims on behalf of EQC - secrecy is the Brownlee and
    National way . . .

    ACT winning Epsom with candidates of variable and at times dubious
    value candidates, and Peter Dunne in Ohariu, are examples of jack-up
    of the MMP rules by National. They are different from the Wigram
    Electorate in 2005 and 2008, where Labour stood against Jim Anderton,
    although Anderton effectively supported most Labour policies. National
    have encouraged the voters in Epsom and Ohariu to vote for ACT /
    United Future for the electorate seat, but to give National their
    party vote - effectively gaining an extra seat from the split in the
    votes. Naturally National resisted any changes which would have made
    such tactics ineffective.

    Mt Roskill is be a seat that National should have hopes to increase
    support and possibly take at some stage - it is becoming less
    affordable for lower paid Aucklanders, and increasing propoerrty
    prices will increase the trend towards those more likely to support
    National. They have clearly assessed that the prospect of a thorough
    drubbing at a by-election is too likely at present, and that it would
    be too damaging to their 2017 election goals to be worth standing. In
    doing so they give up the contact with voters that Labour have shown
    they can do very well; National are likely to be shut out of the Mt
    Roskill seat due to this decision for at least two further elections.

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  • From Tony @3:770/3 to rich80105@hotmail.com on Monday, December 19, 2016 15:21:17
    Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 19 Dec 2016 05:32:11 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@clear.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2016-12-19, Pooh <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 19/12/2016 11:33 a.m., JohnO wrote:
    ... is the word that comes to mind, viewing Labour list MPs scurrying >>>>around like cockroaches exposed to the light, as they frantically search for a
    safe seat to rescue their political careers.

    Jacinda looks to have Mt Albert in the bag, after years of failure in >>>>Auckland Central. At least she has a connection with the place.

    Angry little Andy, having transformed safe Labour seat New Plymouth into >>>>safe National, has been sniffing Annette's seat in Rongotai. But not so fast,
    Andy. There's an actual Rongotai local in the running and the locals like him.
    Will Andy be parachuted in against the local's wishes? Why not, that's how >>>>Labour's central planning rolls.

    The reason for all this scurrying is, of course, that Labour's polling is >>>>so miserably low, that they could well end up with *no* list seats - bye bye
    Angry little Andy!


    Yup. N' Angry Andy isn't quite dumb enough to take his name off the list >>> because he knows he'd be the kiss of death for any safe Labour seat :)

    This I have to see. It is my belief that you could put any franchised >>person in a safe seat and they would be elected if they were standing
    for the "right" party.

    Brownlee MP, is not exactly liked in Christchurch and yet he is in a

    safe seat.

    One of the good things that the government has finally done is to
    ensure that the process for the latest eathquake claims is better than
    for the large Christchurch ones - all claims are directed through the
    private insurer who acts as agent for EQC. I have expressed my view in
    this group that Brownlee should have sat with EQC and the insurers and >engineers when the 2nd Chch quake happened and sorted out the process
    to reduce the infighting and double/triple handling caused by the
    complex process. That a little of this has evidently happened is most >welcome.
    As always you understate the complexity of this process.

    Of course the changes have been made with little consultation, and as
    is National's way they have undoubtedly been resolved in favour of the >private companies - we do not knew the level of charges paid to the
    private insurers for acting as agent for EQC, and we do not know the
    extent to which there is a perverse incentive to accept otherwise >questionable claims on behalf of EQC, or whether there is any checking
    / audit on claims on behalf of EQC
    As usual you are making all of this up, you cannot p-rovide evidence of any of this!
    - secrecy is the Brownlee and
    National way . . .

    ACT winning Epsom with candidates of variable and at times dubious
    value candidates, and Peter Dunne in Ohariu, are examples of jack-up
    of the MMP rules by National. They are different from the Wigram
    Electorate in 2005 and 2008, where Labour stood against Jim Anderton, >although Anderton effectively supported most Labour policies. National
    have encouraged the voters in Epsom and Ohariu to vote for ACT /
    United Future for the electorate seat, but to give National their
    party vote - effectively gaining an extra seat from the split in the
    votes. Naturally National resisted any changes which would have made
    such tactics ineffective.
    Yeah right!

    Mt Roskill is be a seat that National should have hopes to increase
    support and possibly take at some stage - it is becoming less
    affordable for lower paid Aucklanders, and increasing propoerrty
    prices will increase the trend towards those more likely to support
    National. They have clearly assessed that the prospect of a thorough
    drubbing at a by-election is too likely at present, and that it would
    be too damaging to their 2017 election goals to be worth standing. In
    doing so they give up the contact with voters that Labour have shown
    they can do very well; National are likely to be shut out of the Mt
    Roskill seat due to this decision for at least two further elections.
    "Likely" or wishful thinking?

    Tony

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