On Thu, 8 Dec 2016 18:58:26 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>crushed next year but he's got better things to do.
wrote:
On Friday, 9 December 2016 15:44:45 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Thu, 8 Dec 2016 16:22:00 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Friday, 9 December 2016 08:04:36 UTC+13, JohnO wrote:
On Thursday, 8 December 2016 22:39:00 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
But here are a coulpe of contrasting views:
https://www.facebook.com/nzherald.co.nz/videos/10153991717566302/
and
https://www.facebook.com/garethhughesmp/videos/1821969664751754/
Or for an actual mainstream opinion instead of a whack-job's opinion: >>>>>
http://www.economist.com/news/asia/21711222-country-has-been-haven-prosperity-and-stability-under-remarkably-successful-prime
"The country has been a haven of prosperity and stability under a remarkably successful prime minister" - pretty much sums it up.
Key walks out on top, on his own terms, unlike almost every other departing PM who has been carried out as a political corpse. Key won 3 elections on the trot, sent Clark, Goff, Shearer and Cunliffe packing. Could have hung around to see Angry Andy
They were in government, but they did not"lead" in anything to the
He has many things in his legacy but the one that the likes of Dickbot will never get over is this: they never could put a scratch on him.
And this one shows a couple of people who always were and always will be superior human beings to you, Dickbot:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/87393084/jake-millar-how-john-key-changed-my-life
That is a good story JohnO, and indeed it does indicate that he
learned from his experience with the girl from McGheehan Close where
it all went wrong. While not an achievement for the country as a
whole, it is noteworthy in being the first achievement other than
winning three elections that has been identified in this thread - well
done on not following the troll behaviour of others and giving
something positive instead of just attacking another poster!
You really are a weasily little shit aren't you?
As has been widely discussed - lead country through GFC and earthquakes.
benefit of the country - we were in a very good financial position at
the 2008 election, which English acknowledged in early 2009. We have
not recovered any more quickly thatn other nations who were in much
less favourable a financial position.
On Thu, 8 Dec 2016 18:58:26 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>Andy crushed next year but he's got better things to do.
wrote:
On Friday, 9 December 2016 15:44:45 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Thu, 8 Dec 2016 16:22:00 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Friday, 9 December 2016 08:04:36 UTC+13, JohnO wrote:
On Thursday, 8 December 2016 22:39:00 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
But here are a couple of contrasting views:
https://www.facebook.com/nzherald.co.nz/videos/10153991717566302/
and
https://www.facebook.com/garethhughesmp/videos/1821969664751754/
Or for an actual mainstream opinion instead of a whack-job's opinion: >>> >>
http://www.economist.com/news/asia/21711222-country-has-been-haven-prosperity-and-stability-under-remarkably-successful-prime
"The country has been a haven of prosperity and stability under a remarkably successful prime minister" - pretty much sums it up.
Key walks out on top, on his own terms, unlike almost every other departing PM who has been carried out as a political corpse. Key won 3 elections on the trot, sent Clark, Goff, Shearer and Cunliffe packing. Could have hung around to see Angry
benefit of the country - we were in a very good financial position at
He has many things in his legacy but the one that the likes of Dickbot will never get over is this: they never could put a scratch on him.
And this one shows a couple of people who always were and always will be superior human beings to you, Dickbot:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/87393084/jake-millar-how-john-key-changed-my-life
That is a good story JohnO, and indeed it does indicate that he
learned from his experience with the girl from McGheehan Close where
it all went wrong. While not an achievement for the country as a
whole, it is noteworthy in being the first achievement other than
winning three elections that has been identified in this thread - well
done on not following the troll behaviour of others and giving
something positive instead of just attacking another poster!
You really are a weasily little shit aren't you?
As has been widely discussed - lead country through GFC and earthquakes. >They were in government, but they did not"lead" in anything to the
the 2008 election, which English acknowledged in early 2009. We have
not recovered any more quickly thatn other nations who were in much
less favourable a financial position.
National did essentially nothing except rack up debt, not pay anyting
into supporting NZ Super, allowed tax rules to remain favourable
towards property after it became evident that this was grossly
distrting markets, sold off 49% of many state owned enterprises before
values fully revcovered, l;eading us to now pay much more to overseas >investors than we received; not supported Kiwibank so that overseas
banks made massive profits through lack of effective competition. What
do you think they did that was meritorious - other than sitting in
the seat of government and benefitting personally at the expense of
the taxpayer.
Christchurch was bungled - inadequate policy setting by government
leading to duplication of work by EQC and insurers (and then by
propoerty owners as well); massive cantract awarded to Fletchers with >inadequate controls - poor work has been the result, and timetables
for work completion managed to fit with Fletchers supply chain. They
have effectively admitted that some of their decisions relating to red
zone proporties were unfair - and the problems of vacant land and
uninsured have not been addressed, nor has the problem of the lack of
an effective non-bank finance industry (again the Aussie banks have
taken huge dividends out of the country . . .
So that one is a fail.
Lead welfare reform including meaningful benefit increases for first time in years. Lead country from Labour's decade of deficits through to surpluses. >Welare changes have generally been disastrous for beneficiaries. Thebenefit increases earlier this year went to only a small proportion of >beneficiaries, and most did not get $25 per week. The following
article is more typical of the sort of attitude to beneficiaries - and
is one of the reasons that WINZ offices have to have full time
security guards to "help" people! >http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/87347930/aggressive-prosecution-focus-at-msd-preceded-womans-death-inquest-told
But most of all: Got rid of Labour and kept it out for 3 terms so far! Destroyed the NZ political careers of Clark, Goff, Shearer and Cunliffe.
I acknowledged that winning 3 elections is an accomplishment
Even Don Brash complains that the National-led coalition government
since 2008 has not met any of the major promises they made . .
Try again, JohnO - can you think of _any_ major achivements of the
National / John Key led governments other than winning elections?
On Fri, 09 Dec 2016 23:30:59 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>Andy crushed next year but he's got better things to do.
wrote:
On Thu, 8 Dec 2016 18:58:26 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Friday, 9 December 2016 15:44:45 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Thu, 8 Dec 2016 16:22:00 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Friday, 9 December 2016 08:04:36 UTC+13, JohnO wrote:
On Thursday, 8 December 2016 22:39:00 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
But here are a couple of contrasting views:
https://www.facebook.com/nzherald.co.nz/videos/10153991717566302/ >>>>>>> and
https://www.facebook.com/garethhughesmp/videos/1821969664751754/
Or for an actual mainstream opinion instead of a whack-job's opinion: >>>>>>
http://www.economist.com/news/asia/21711222-country-has-been-haven-prosperity-and-stability-under-remarkably-successful-prime
"The country has been a haven of prosperity and stability under a remarkably successful prime minister" - pretty much sums it up.
Key walks out on top, on his own terms, unlike almost every other departing PM who has been carried out as a political corpse. Key won 3 elections on the trot, sent Clark, Goff, Shearer and Cunliffe packing. Could have hung around to see Angry
They were in government, but they did not"lead" in anything to the
He has many things in his legacy but the one that the likes of Dickbot will never get over is this: they never could put a scratch on him.
And this one shows a couple of people who always were and always will be superior human beings to you, Dickbot:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/87393084/jake-millar-how-john-key-changed-my-life
That is a good story JohnO, and indeed it does indicate that he
learned from his experience with the girl from McGheehan Close where
it all went wrong. While not an achievement for the country as a
whole, it is noteworthy in being the first achievement other than
winning three elections that has been identified in this thread - well >>>> done on not following the troll behaviour of others and giving
something positive instead of just attacking another poster!
You really are a weasily little shit aren't you?
As has been widely discussed - lead country through GFC and earthquakes.
benefit of the country - we were in a very good financial position at
the 2008 election, which English acknowledged in early 2009. We have
not recovered any more quickly thatn other nations who were in much
less favourable a financial position.
National did essentially nothing except rack up debt, not pay anyting
into supporting NZ Super, allowed tax rules to remain favourable
towards property after it became evident that this was grossly
distrting markets, sold off 49% of many state owned enterprises before
values fully revcovered, l;eading us to now pay much more to overseas
investors than we received; not supported Kiwibank so that overseas
banks made massive profits through lack of effective competition. What
do you think they did that was meritorious - other than sitting in
the seat of government and benefitting personally at the expense of
the taxpayer.
Christchurch was bungled - inadequate policy setting by government
leading to duplication of work by EQC and insurers (and then by
propoerty owners as well); massive cantract awarded to Fletchers with
inadequate controls - poor work has been the result, and timetables
for work completion managed to fit with Fletchers supply chain. They
have effectively admitted that some of their decisions relating to red
zone proporties were unfair - and the problems of vacant land and
uninsured have not been addressed, nor has the problem of the lack of
an effective non-bank finance industry (again the Aussie banks have
taken huge dividends out of the country . . .
So that one is a fail.
Lead welfare reform including meaningful benefit increases for first time in years. Lead country from Labour's decade of deficits through to surpluses. >> Welare changes have generally been disastrous for beneficiaries. Thebenefit increases earlier this year went to only a small proportion of
beneficiaries, and most did not get $25 per week. The following
article is more typical of the sort of attitude to beneficiaries - and
is one of the reasons that WINZ offices have to have full time
security guards to "help" people!
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/87347930/aggressive-prosecution-focus-at-msd-preceded-womans-death-inquest-told
But most of all: Got rid of Labour and kept it out for 3 terms so far! Destroyed the NZ political careers of Clark, Goff, Shearer and Cunliffe.
I acknowledged that winning 3 elections is an accomplishment
Even Don Brash complains that the National-led coalition government
since 2008 has not met any of the major promises they made . .
Try again, JohnO - can you think of _any_ major achivements of the
National / John Key led governments other than winning elections?
Its all obviously to hard for JohnO - and here's one of the reasons
why:
http://www.noted.co.nz/currently/politics/john-keys-departure-end-of-the-lullaby-pm/
which finishes with:
"I don’t think Key will be treated kindly by history. In the wake of
his resignation, commentators have struggled to find anything much to
praise as his legacy, beyond settling some Treaty of Waitangi claims
and giving us stable government over several terms.
In fact, he elevated dishonesty and slipperiness to the highest level
of government. Not least, he saw no shame in admitting that the
Official Information Act was manipulated for political purposes. His
office also had a major role in the dirty politics exposed by Nicky
Hager, who in 2014 Key belittled as a “left-wing conspiracy theorist”
— a slur he repeated this year when the Panama Papers showed our
foreign trust regime was dodgy.
Key set the tone for his government as its King of Spin. There was no
truth that couldn’t be sliced and diced until it appeared to be a
half-truth at best; there was no truth that couldn’t be omitted if
that omission fitted his purposes. He would say anything that suited
the audience he was talking to, even if he had said exactly the
opposite a few days earlier.
Key will undoubtedly collect a knighthood (which may have been his
ultimate motivation in restoring them after Clark had abolished them),
and slip between his homes in New Zealand, Hawaii and London. As Sir
John, he will be welcomed onto company boards here and elsewhere, for
fat fees.
Meanwhile, back home, whoever gets to run the country will have their
work cut out cleaning up the mess John has left behind.
The era of sideshow politics and of being soothed has well and truly
ended. "
So come on JohnO - name a success! Oh and while you are searching
for one, you and others others may like to think about why legislation
has still not been passed to close up the foreign trusts scam . . .
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