http://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/26-11-2016/nzs-feeblest-john-key-parrot-is-on-the-brink-of-a-shellacking-in-mt-roskill/
National's all control from the centre approach makes it hard for them
to understand by-elections - as the article makes clear there is real
skill in getting away with the lies and spin that are told by Key and
senior Nats - and they didn't train up this candidate properly.
National's all control from the centre approach makes it hard for themLabour being controlled by unions is much worse.
to understand by-elections - as the article makes clear there is real
skill in getting away with the lies and spin that are told by Key and
senior Nats - and they didn't train up this candidate properly.
http://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/26-11-2016/nzs-feeblest-john-key-parrot-is-on-the-brink-of-a-shellacking-in-mt-roskill/
National's all control from the centre approach makes it hard for them
to understand by-elections - as the article makes clear there is real
skill in getting away with the lies and spin that are told by Key and
senior Nats - and they didn't train up this candidate properly.
http://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/26-11-2016/nzs-feeblest-john-key-parrot-is-on-the-brink-of-a-shellacking-in-mt-roskill/
National's all control from the centre approach makes it hard for them
to understand by-elections - as the article makes clear there is real
skill in getting away with the lies and spin that are told by Key and
senior Nats - and they didn't train up this candidate properly.
On Saturday, 26 November 2016 09:27:13 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:by-election.
http://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/26-11-2016/nzs-feeblest-john-key-parrot-is-on-the-brink-of-a-shellacking-in-mt-roskill/
National's all control from the centre approach makes it hard for them
to understand by-elections - as the article makes clear there is real
skill in getting away with the lies and spin that are told by Key and
senior Nats - and they didn't train up this candidate properly.
No government party has ever taken an electorate off the opposition in a
God it would be hilarious if National did it in this one.
On Sat, 26 Nov 2016 09:27:11 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:Well put. In defense of Labour (a little bit) it is very hard to be strategic when you are well behind the eight ball and the tendency is to shoot wildly at anything that moves. Rich is a past master at that.
http://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/26-11-2016/nzs-feeblest-john-key- >parrot-is-on-the-brink-of-a-shellacking-in-mt-roskill/
National's all control from the centre approach makes it hard for them
to understand by-elections - as the article makes clear there is real
skill in getting away with the lies and spin that are told by Key and
senior Nats - and they didn't train up this candidate properly.
The article is yet another example of "the Left's" fascination with the >tactical at the expense of the strategic. When National comes second in
the urban electorate that Goff has held for umpteeump years the margin
won't matter and will have no bearing at all at the strategic level; and
all attempts by the Opposition to frame a predictable, minor tactical win
as an earth-changing strategic indicator will turn to dust.
On 26/11/2016 11:52 a.m., JohnO wrote:by-election.
On Saturday, 26 November 2016 09:27:13 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
http://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/26-11-2016/nzs-feeblest-john-key-parrot-is-on-the-brink-of-a-shellacking-in-mt-roskill/
National's all control from the centre approach makes it hard for them
to understand by-elections - as the article makes clear there is real
skill in getting away with the lies and spin that are told by Key and
senior Nats - and they didn't train up this candidate properly.
No government party has ever taken an electorate off the opposition in a
God it would be hilarious if National did it in this one.
Good grief Labour could tie a red ribbon on a pig and get it elected in
Mt. Roskill and it'd get elected. Hell they did but then the pig wanted
to rort in a bigger trough and is now mayor of Auckland :)
Pooh
On 26/11/2016 11:52 a.m., JohnO wrote:
On Saturday, 26 November 2016 09:27:13 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:Good grief Labour could tie a red ribbon on a pig and get it elected in
http://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/26-11-2016/nzs-feeblest-john-key-parrot-is-on-the-brink-of-a-shellacking-in-mt-roskill/
National's all control from the centre approach makes it hard for them
to understand by-elections - as the article makes clear there is real
skill in getting away with the lies and spin that are told by Key and
senior Nats - and they didn't train up this candidate properly.
No government party has ever taken an electorate off the opposition in a >> >by-election.
God it would be hilarious if National did it in this one.
Mt. Roskill and it'd get elected. Hell they did but then the pig wanted
to rort in a bigger trough and is now mayor of Auckland :)
I'm not so sure that means much now. Goff won the electorate easily enough but >the party vote went to National by over 2000 votes. Goff had name recognition -
part of the reason he won the mayoralty so easily. The by-election candidates >are relative no-names.
Also
Goff is actually a nice guy. Heaps of personality and very experienced. The candidates don't appear to have any of that.
On 11/26/2016 1:11 PM, Tony wrote:I am not aware of that, can you provide a source?
AlsoSpitting on the boys returning from Vietnam is a 'nice guy' thing ??
Goff is actually a nice guy. Heaps of personality and very experienced. The >> candidates don't appear to have any of that.
And experienced at the trough....No more and no less than any MP
george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:
On 11/26/2016 1:11 PM, Tony wrote:I am not aware of that, can you provide a source?
AlsoSpitting on the boys returning from Vietnam is a 'nice guy' thing ??
Goff is actually a nice guy. Heaps of personality and very experienced. The >>> candidates don't appear to have any of that.
And experienced at the trough....No more and no less than any MP
On Saturday, 26 November 2016 12:07:53 UTC+13, Pooh wrote:the party vote went to National by over 2000 votes. Goff had name recognition -
On 26/11/2016 11:52 a.m., JohnO wrote:
On Saturday, 26 November 2016 09:27:13 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:Good grief Labour could tie a red ribbon on a pig and get it elected in
http://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/26-11-2016/nzs-feeblest-john-key-parrot-is-on-the-brink-of-a-shellacking-in-mt-roskill/
National's all control from the centre approach makes it hard for them
to understand by-elections - as the article makes clear there is real
skill in getting away with the lies and spin that are told by Key and
senior Nats - and they didn't train up this candidate properly.
No government party has ever taken an electorate off the opposition in a by-election.
God it would be hilarious if National did it in this one.
Mt. Roskill and it'd get elected. Hell they did but then the pig wanted
to rort in a bigger trough and is now mayor of Auckland :)
I'm not so sure that means much now. Goff won the electorate easily enough but
Pooh
On 11/26/2016 3:13 PM, Tony wrote:I am no supporter of Labour or indeed any party but I have never seen that stuff.
george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:
On 11/26/2016 1:11 PM, Tony wrote:I am not aware of that, can you provide a source?
AlsoSpitting on the boys returning from Vietnam is a 'nice guy' thing ??
Goff is actually a nice guy. Heaps of personality and very experienced. The
candidates don't appear to have any of that.
That has been discussed in this group at length.
Also involved was Clark.
Betcha none of that features in the liebor history book
How many years was he sucking on the teat?And experienced at the trough....No more and no less than any MP
george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:
On 11/26/2016 3:13 PM, Tony wrote:I am no supporter of Labour or indeed any party but I have never seen that stuff.
george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:
On 11/26/2016 1:11 PM, Tony wrote:I am not aware of that, can you provide a source?
AlsoSpitting on the boys returning from Vietnam is a 'nice guy' thing ??
Goff is actually a nice guy. Heaps of personality and very experienced. The
candidates don't appear to have any of that.
That has been discussed in this group at length.
Also involved was Clark.
Betcha none of that features in the liebor history book
How many years was he sucking on the teat?And experienced at the trough....No more and no less than any MP
And they all suck on the teat.
Can you help me with some information? Instead of an opinion?
On 11/26/2016 5:35 PM, Tony wrote:I won't!
george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:
On 11/26/2016 3:13 PM, Tony wrote:I am no supporter of Labour or indeed any party but I have never seen that >> stuff.
george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:
On 11/26/2016 1:11 PM, Tony wrote:I am not aware of that, can you provide a source?
AlsoSpitting on the boys returning from Vietnam is a 'nice guy' thing ??
Goff is actually a nice guy. Heaps of personality and very experienced. >>>>>>The
candidates don't appear to have any of that.
That has been discussed in this group at length.
Also involved was Clark.
Betcha none of that features in the liebor history book
How many years was he sucking on the teat?And experienced at the trough....No more and no less than any MP
And they all suck on the teat.
Can you help me with some information? Instead of an opinion?
Okay. The spitting by demonstrators is a worldwide thing.
Begun by a certain ism that trained its 'representatives' in protest groups. >Which is why you'll notice riot police in all countries wear visored
helmets.
Strange that the particular ism killed or enslaved any of its own
citizens who dared to protest.
Now here's a bit of helpful advice.
Buy a computer.
Sign up to an ISP
Go online and find a good browser like Google Chrome.
Download it..
Now. The biggie.
Use the Search engine.
Enter a phrase in the box
Hit return and lookie lookie
Many many many results for you to peruse and some relevant and most >unbelievable.
That's where you either search further or you use the rarest of things >evident on the Net...
Common sense..
You don't have to thank me...
Thank the InternetYou said about Phil Goff that "Spitting on the boys returning from Vietnam is a 'nice guy' thing ??"
george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:a
On 11/26/2016 5:35 PM, Tony wrote:I won't!
george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:
On 11/26/2016 3:13 PM, Tony wrote:I am no supporter of Labour or indeed any party but I have never seen that >>> stuff.
george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:
On 11/26/2016 1:11 PM, Tony wrote:
AlsoSpitting on the boys returning from Vietnam is a 'nice guy' thing ?? >>>>> I am not aware of that, can you provide a source?
Goff is actually a nice guy. Heaps of personality and very experienced. >>>>>>> The
candidates don't appear to have any of that.
That has been discussed in this group at length.
Also involved was Clark.
Betcha none of that features in the liebor history book
How many years was he sucking on the teat?And experienced at the trough....No more and no less than any MP
And they all suck on the teat.
Can you help me with some information? Instead of an opinion?
Okay. The spitting by demonstrators is a worldwide thing.
Begun by a certain ism that trained its 'representatives' in protest groups. >> Which is why you'll notice riot police in all countries wear visored
helmets.
Strange that the particular ism killed or enslaved any of its own
citizens who dared to protest.
Now here's a bit of helpful advice.
Buy a computer.
Sign up to an ISP
Go online and find a good browser like Google Chrome.
Download it..
Now. The biggie.
Use the Search engine.
Enter a phrase in the box
Hit return and lookie lookie
Many many many results for you to peruse and some relevant and most
unbelievable.
That's where you either search further or you use the rarest of things
evident on the Net...
Common sense..
You don't have to thank me...
Thank the InternetYou said about Phil Goff that "Spitting on the boys returning from Vietnam is
'nice guy' thing ??"
If that is true then I agree with you, I merely asked for a pointer to a cite for that behaviour since I do not recall anything about it. I am not however going to do your research for you,
By the way I could teach you more about computers than you would believe possible. Fot many years I was a Microsoft MVP (look it up)!
Okay. The spitting by demonstrators is a worldwide thing.
Begun by a certain ism that trained its 'representatives' in protest groups.
Which is why you'll notice riot police in all countries wear visored
helmets.
Strange that the particular ism killed or enslaved any of its own
citizens who dared to protest.
The reason I said he was a nice guy is that I have met him outside of his political life and he is very personable.
Tony
On 11/27/2016 9:08 AM, Tony wrote:
george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:
On 11/26/2016 5:35 PM, Tony wrote:I won't!
george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:
On 11/26/2016 3:13 PM, Tony wrote:I am no supporter of Labour or indeed any party but I have never seen that >>>> stuff.
george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:
On 11/26/2016 1:11 PM, Tony wrote:
AlsoSpitting on the boys returning from Vietnam is a 'nice guy' thing ?? >>>>>> I am not aware of that, can you provide a source?
Goff is actually a nice guy. Heaps of personality and very experienced.
The
candidates don't appear to have any of that.
That has been discussed in this group at length.
Also involved was Clark.
Betcha none of that features in the liebor history book
How many years was he sucking on the teat?And experienced at the trough....No more and no less than any MP
And they all suck on the teat.
Can you help me with some information? Instead of an opinion?
Okay. The spitting by demonstrators is a worldwide thing.
Begun by a certain ism that trained its 'representatives' in protest groups.
Which is why you'll notice riot police in all countries wear visored
helmets.
Strange that the particular ism killed or enslaved any of its own
citizens who dared to protest.
Now here's a bit of helpful advice.
Buy a computer.
Sign up to an ISP
Go online and find a good browser like Google Chrome.
Download it..
Now. The biggie.
Use the Search engine.
Enter a phrase in the box
Hit return and lookie lookie
Many many many results for you to peruse and some relevant and most
unbelievable.
That's where you either search further or you use the rarest of things
evident on the Net...
Common sense..
You don't have to thank me...
Thank the InternetYou said about Phil Goff that "Spitting on the boys returning from Vietnam >>is a
'nice guy' thing ??"
If that is true then I agree with you, I merely asked for a pointer to a cite
for that behaviour since I do not recall anything about it. I am not however >> going to do your research for you,
By the way I could teach you more about computers than you would believe
possible. Fot many years I was a Microsoft MVP (look it up)!
So use your 'knowledge' to actually go online and, as you said, 'look it up' >You seem to have missed :
groups.Okay. The spitting by demonstrators is a worldwide thing.
Begun by a certain ism that trained its 'representatives' in protest
Which is why you'll notice riot police in all countries wear visored
helmets.
Strange that the particular ism killed or enslaved any of its own
citizens who dared to protest.
I am not sure why you seem to be annoyed with me. I respect your opinion but am not impressed by accusations that have no evidence provided and I am certainly not going to search for any.The reason I said he was a nice guy is that I have met him outside of hisAfter the spitting incident I have no time for him or Clark personable
political life and he is very personable.
Tony
or not
On 11/26/2016 3:13 PM, Tony wrote:
george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:
On 11/26/2016 1:11 PM, Tony wrote:I am not aware of that, can you provide a source?
AlsoSpitting on the boys returning from Vietnam is a 'nice guy' thing ??
Goff is actually a nice guy. Heaps of personality and very
experienced. The
candidates don't appear to have any of that.
That has been discussed in this group at length.
Also involved was Clark.
Betcha none of that features in the liebor history book
How many years was he sucking on the teat?And experienced at the trough....No more and no less than any MP
On Sat, 26 Nov 2016 17:08:01 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>a by-election.
wrote:
On Fri, 25 Nov 2016 16:04:04 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >wrote:
On Saturday, 26 November 2016 12:07:53 UTC+13, Pooh wrote:
On 26/11/2016 11:52 a.m., JohnO wrote:
On Saturday, 26 November 2016 09:27:13 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
http://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/26-11-2016/nzs-feeblest-john-key-parrot-is-on-the-brink-of-a-shellacking-in-mt-roskill/
National's all control from the centre approach makes it hard for them >>> >> to understand by-elections - as the article makes clear there is real >>> >> skill in getting away with the lies and spin that are told by Key and >>> >> senior Nats - and they didn't train up this candidate properly.
No government party has ever taken an electorate off the opposition in
but the party vote went to National by over 2000 votes. Goff had name recognition - part of the reason he won the mayoralty so easily. The by-election candidates are relativeGood grief Labour could tie a red ribbon on a pig and get it elected in >>> Mt. Roskill and it'd get elected. Hell they did but then the pig wanted >>> to rort in a bigger trough and is now mayor of Auckland :)
God it would be hilarious if National did it in this one.
I'm not so sure that means much now. Goff won the electorate easily enough
That party vote margin in favour of National makes it even more
surprising that National did not take more care over their candidate >selection - they would have gained a huge boost from taking the seat
off Labour,
That is simply not correct. With National currently achieving nearly
50% of support in the periodic polls, winning the by-election would
not make much difference to National but would make a huge difference
to Labour. This is a safe labour electorate seat but National has
solid party-vote support making this an intriguing contest that they
can pitch a junior wannabe MP into.
but the arrogance and incompetence of this candidate rings
back the memory of another low on the Nat list - the unlamented Aaron >Gilmore.
Irrelevant.
Pooh
--
Crash McBash
On Fri, 25 Nov 2016 16:04:04 -0800 (PST), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>names.
wrote:
On Saturday, 26 November 2016 12:07:53 UTC+13, Pooh wrote:
On 26/11/2016 11:52 a.m., JohnO wrote:
On Saturday, 26 November 2016 09:27:13 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:Good grief Labour could tie a red ribbon on a pig and get it elected in
http://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/26-11-2016/nzs-feeblest-john-key-parrot-is-on-the-brink-of-a-shellacking-in-mt-roskill/
National's all control from the centre approach makes it hard for them >>> >> to understand by-elections - as the article makes clear there is real >>> >> skill in getting away with the lies and spin that are told by Key and >>> >> senior Nats - and they didn't train up this candidate properly.
No government party has ever taken an electorate off the opposition in a by-election.
God it would be hilarious if National did it in this one.
Mt. Roskill and it'd get elected. Hell they did but then the pig wanted
to rort in a bigger trough and is now mayor of Auckland :)
I'm not so sure that means much now. Goff won the electorate easily enough but the party vote went to National by over 2000 votes. Goff had name recognition - part of the reason he won the mayoralty so easily. The by-election candidates are relative no-
That party vote margin in favour of National makes it even more
surprising that National did not take more care over their candidate >selection - they would have gained a huge boost from taking the seat
off Labour,
but the arrogance and incompetence of this candidate rings
back the memory of another low on the Nat list - the unlamented Aaron >Gilmore.
Pooh
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