• Government doesn't believe its own statistics

    From Rich80105@3:770/3 to All on Monday, September 12, 2016 09:32:53
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/84144791/labour-questions-new-homeless-stats

    Incompetence from Bennet, and the response is lie, deny, distract.
    When will National just do something?

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  • From Newsman@3:770/3 to All on Sunday, September 11, 2016 23:42:34
    On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 09:32:53 +1200, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/84144791/labour-questions-new-homeless-stats

    Incompetence from Bennet, and the response is lie, deny, distract.
    When will National just do something?

    They certainly seem somewhat sluggish on this issue, especially when
    John Key has admitted that homelessness has increased on his watch.

    After his 2008 victory, he told a gawping nation of gullibles that his
    ambition was - and I quote him - "to make a difference."

    As if to illustrate the difference he had in mind, here's just one
    among a few of the world's typical house-purchase deals - the kind of
    sad and prosaic little dunger $1m currently buys you in the City of
    the Damned:

    http://tinyurl.com/jlhxfle

    Risible in all its abject pathos, one can only agree, but it seems
    John Key's ambition truly has been achieved; and you can't say fairer
    than that, can you?

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  • From JohnO@3:770/3 to Newsman on Sunday, September 11, 2016 17:01:36
    On Monday, 12 September 2016 11:42:34 UTC+12, Newsman wrote:
    On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 09:32:53 +1200, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/84144791/labour-questions-new-homeless-stats

    Incompetence from Bennet, and the response is lie, deny, distract.
    When will National just do something?

    They certainly seem somewhat sluggish on this issue, especially when
    John Key has admitted that homelessness has increased on his watch.

    After his 2008 victory, he told a gawping nation of gullibles that his ambition was - and I quote him - "to make a difference."

    As if to illustrate the difference he had in mind, here's just one
    among a few of the world's typical house-purchase deals - the kind of
    sad and prosaic little dunger $1m currently buys you in the City of
    the Damned:

    http://tinyurl.com/jlhxfle

    Yep, so many people want to move there that the prices keep getting driven up. Similar problems occur in all the world's desirable cities, of course, but in dear old windy Wellington, not so much.

    Only the terminally bewildered would consider that "city of the damned".


    Risible in all its abject pathos, one can only agree, but it seems
    John Key's ambition truly has been achieved; and you can't say fairer
    than that, can you?

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  • From Tony @3:770/3 to JohnO on Sunday, September 11, 2016 19:37:00
    JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Monday, 12 September 2016 11:42:34 UTC+12, Newsman wrote:
    On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 09:32:53 +1200, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:


    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/84144791/labour-questions-new-homeless-stats

    Incompetence from Bennet, and the response is lie, deny, distract.
    When will National just do something?

    They certainly seem somewhat sluggish on this issue, especially when
    John Key has admitted that homelessness has increased on his watch.

    After his 2008 victory, he told a gawping nation of gullibles that his
    ambition was - and I quote him - "to make a difference."

    As if to illustrate the difference he had in mind, here's just one
    among a few of the world's typical house-purchase deals - the kind of
    sad and prosaic little dunger $1m currently buys you in the City of
    the Damned:

    http://tinyurl.com/jlhxfle

    Yep, so many people want to move there that the prices keep getting driven up. >Similar problems occur in all the world's desirable cities, of course, but in >dear old windy Wellington, not so much.
    Dear old Wellington is actually less windy than many parts of New Zealand however the people that live in and around Wellington thank the less fortunate people of Auckland who named the rather special stadium the 'cake tin' in a failed attempt to denograte it (I believe it is the most profitable sports venue in the country but I could be mistaken) and calling Wellington Windy when it isn't all that bad. And finally for recognising that Wellington is a world class cultural centre.

    Only the terminally bewildered would consider that "city of the damned".


    Risible in all its abject pathos, one can only agree, but it seems
    John Key's ambition truly has been achieved; and you can't say fairer
    than that, can you?

    Tony

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  • From Liberty@3:770/3 to Newsman on Monday, September 12, 2016 17:08:48
    On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 04:39:28 GMT, slaybot@hotmail.com (Newsman) wrote:



    Meanwhile, for the terminally sour-grapes brigade who can never get
    enough stats:

    Comparative per capita GDPs for 2015:

    Auckland: $56,997
    Wellington: $65,974

    That Wellington figure is not comparable with Auckland or in fact anywhere. Wellington has had the highest incomes but doesn't produce anything of substance.
    The reason being the city is infested with highly paid public servants.
    And bloated government departments.
    Take Radio Radio NZ for example $35million What has it produced?
    Apart from hours of socialist drivel. Not alot.
    $65,974 is achieved by pillaging the productive.

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  • From Newsman@3:770/3 to dot nz on Monday, September 12, 2016 04:39:28
    On Sun, 11 Sep 2016 19:37:00 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
    dot nz> wrote:

    JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Monday, 12 September 2016 11:42:34 UTC+12, Newsman wrote:
    On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 09:32:53 +1200, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:


    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/84144791/labour-questions-new-homeless-stats

    Incompetence from Bennet, and the response is lie, deny, distract.
    When will National just do something?

    They certainly seem somewhat sluggish on this issue, especially when
    John Key has admitted that homelessness has increased on his watch.

    After his 2008 victory, he told a gawping nation of gullibles that his
    ambition was - and I quote him - "to make a difference."

    As if to illustrate the difference he had in mind, here's just one
    among a few of the world's typical house-purchase deals - the kind of
    sad and prosaic little dunger $1m currently buys you in the City of
    the Damned:

    http://tinyurl.com/jlhxfle

    Yep, so many people want to move there that the prices keep getting driven up.

    Yup, all those asian kitchen hands and bottle-washers are jamming
    immigration, eager to pounce on a minimum-wage job so they can afford million-dollar dungers.....in Onehunga, for crying out loud!

    Similar problems occur in all the world's desirable cities, of course, but in >>dear old windy Wellington, not so much.

    Dear old Wellington is actually less windy than many parts of New Zealand

    Correct. More often than not, Cook Strait crossings may be cancelled
    while in locations away from direct exposure to the harbour and the
    Strait hardly a leaf stirs.

    however the people that live in and around Wellington thank the less fortunate >people of Auckland who named the rather special stadium the 'cake tin' in a >failed attempt to denograte it (I believe it is the most profitable sports >venue in the country but I could be mistaken) and calling Wellington Windy when
    it isn't all that bad. And finally for recognising that Wellington is a world >class cultural centre.

    Not only that, but recognised and applauded for it by none other than
    the original exemplar and mentor, Edinburgh. So successful, in fact,
    that Auckland has more recently decided to ape it with its own me-too
    efforts, albeit the coarser quality of its local bar-room talent is at
    times just a little de trôp.

    Meanwhile, for the terminally sour-grapes brigade who can never get
    enough stats:

    Comparative per capita GDPs for 2015:

    Auckland: $56,997
    Wellington: $65,974

    IOW, Wellingtonians are up and about gettin' it done while Aucklanders
    are still sleeping off last night's pissup.

    Only the terminally bewildered would consider that "city of the damned".

    Then try this for the City not only of the Damned but also of the
    Terminally Stupid:

    http://m.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11707361

    But to top it all off, savcur deeply of this melancholy and
    perfectly-timed counterpoint to the government's entire catalogue of
    housing policy fuckups while they and the banks watch in terror as
    those cuddly Chinese "investors" begin to welsh on their obligations:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11708064

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  • From JohnO@3:770/3 to nor...@googlegroups.com on Sunday, September 11, 2016 21:29:00
    On Monday, 12 September 2016 12:37:06 UTC+12, nor...@googlegroups.com wrote:
    JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Monday, 12 September 2016 11:42:34 UTC+12, Newsman wrote:
    On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 09:32:53 +1200, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:


    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/84144791/labour-questions-new-homeless-stats

    Incompetence from Bennet, and the response is lie, deny, distract.
    When will National just do something?

    They certainly seem somewhat sluggish on this issue, especially when
    John Key has admitted that homelessness has increased on his watch.

    After his 2008 victory, he told a gawping nation of gullibles that his
    ambition was - and I quote him - "to make a difference."

    As if to illustrate the difference he had in mind, here's just one
    among a few of the world's typical house-purchase deals - the kind of
    sad and prosaic little dunger $1m currently buys you in the City of
    the Damned:

    http://tinyurl.com/jlhxfle

    Yep, so many people want to move there that the prices keep getting driven
    up.
    Similar problems occur in all the world's desirable cities, of course, but
    in
    dear old windy Wellington, not so much.
    Dear old Wellington is actually less windy than many parts of New Zealand however the people that live in and around Wellington thank the less
    fortunate
    people of Auckland who named the rather special stadium the 'cake tin' in a failed attempt to denograte it (I believe it is the most profitable sports venue in the country but I could be mistaken) and calling Wellington Windy
    when
    it isn't all that bad. And finally for recognising that Wellington is a world class cultural centre.

    Tongue firmly in cheek, Tony - just winding up dear old Keith.

    I think it is usually TV sports people that refer to the stadium as "Cake Tin" - I don't think Aucklanders generally do.

    As far as I'm concerned, any oval ground is rubbish as a rugby ground and therefore Forsyth Barr is easily the best in NZ followed by Hamilton's Rugby Park.


    Only the terminally bewildered would consider that "city of the damned".


    Risible in all its abject pathos, one can only agree, but it seems
    John Key's ambition truly has been achieved; and you can't say fairer
    than that, can you?

    Tony

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  • From Gordon@3:770/3 to Liberty on Monday, September 12, 2016 06:02:24
    On 2016-09-12, Liberty <liberty48@live.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 04:39:28 GMT, slaybot@hotmail.com (Newsman) wrote:



    Meanwhile, for the terminally sour-grapes brigade who can never get
    enough stats:

    Comparative per capita GDPs for 2015:

    Auckland: $56,997
    Wellington: $65,974

    That Wellington figure is not comparable with Auckland or in fact anywhere. Wellington has had the highest incomes but doesn't produce anything of
    substance.
    The reason being the city is infested with highly paid public servants.
    And bloated government departments.
    Take Radio Radio NZ for example $35million What has it produced?
    Apart from hours of socialist drivel. Not alot.
    $65,974 is achieved by pillaging the productive.

    That as maybe, but the point is that Auckland with its million dollar houses has a lower GDP than Wellington, which has a lower average house price than Auckland.

    This proves that greed is driving the housing prices up.

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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to All on Monday, September 12, 2016 18:07:53
    On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 17:08:48 +1200, Liberty <liberty48@live.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 04:39:28 GMT, slaybot@hotmail.com (Newsman) wrote:



    Meanwhile, for the terminally sour-grapes brigade who can never get
    enough stats:

    Comparative per capita GDPs for 2015:

    Auckland: $56,997
    Wellington: $65,974

    That Wellington figure is not comparable with Auckland or in fact anywhere.
    Wellington has had the highest incomes but doesn't produce anything of substance.
    The reason being the city is infested with highly paid public servants.
    And bloated government departments.
    Take Radio Radio NZ for example $35million What has it produced?
    A top rating for New Zealand radio stations for a start - does market
    share mean anything to you :Liberty"?

    Apart from hours of socialist drivel. Not alot.
    Really? I haven't heard any. Most programmes on RNZ are now available
    through their website - can you give a couple of examples?

    $65,974 is achieved by pillaging the productive.
    Meanignless drivel - cite?.

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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to Newsman on Monday, September 12, 2016 17:31:58
    On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 04:39:28 GMT, slaybot@hotmail.com (Newsman) wrote:

    On Sun, 11 Sep 2016 19:37:00 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
    dot nz> wrote:

    JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Monday, 12 September 2016 11:42:34 UTC+12, Newsman wrote:
    On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 09:32:53 +1200, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:


    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/84144791/labour-questions-new-homeless-stats

    Incompetence from Bennet, and the response is lie, deny, distract.
    When will National just do something?

    They certainly seem somewhat sluggish on this issue, especially when
    John Key has admitted that homelessness has increased on his watch.

    After his 2008 victory, he told a gawping nation of gullibles that his >>>> ambition was - and I quote him - "to make a difference."

    As if to illustrate the difference he had in mind, here's just one
    among a few of the world's typical house-purchase deals - the kind of
    sad and prosaic little dunger $1m currently buys you in the City of
    the Damned:

    http://tinyurl.com/jlhxfle

    Yep, so many people want to move there that the prices keep getting driven up.

    Yup, all those asian kitchen hands and bottle-washers are jamming >immigration, eager to pounce on a minimum-wage job so they can afford >million-dollar dungers.....in Onehunga, for crying out loud!

    Similar problems occur in all the world's desirable cities, of course, but in
    dear old windy Wellington, not so much.

    Dear old Wellington is actually less windy than many parts of New Zealand

    Correct. More often than not, Cook Strait crossings may be cancelled
    while in locations away from direct exposure to the harbour and the
    Strait hardly a leaf stirs.

    however the people that live in and around Wellington thank the less fortunate
    people of Auckland who named the rather special stadium the 'cake tin' in a >>failed attempt to denograte it (I believe it is the most profitable sports >>venue in the country but I could be mistaken) and calling Wellington Windy when
    it isn't all that bad. And finally for recognising that Wellington is a world >>class cultural centre.

    Not only that, but recognised and applauded for it by none other than
    the original exemplar and mentor, Edinburgh. So successful, in fact,
    that Auckland has more recently decided to ape it with its own me-too >efforts, albeit the coarser quality of its local bar-room talent is at
    times just a little de trôp.

    Meanwhile, for the terminally sour-grapes brigade who can never get
    enough stats:

    Comparative per capita GDPs for 2015:

    Auckland: $56,997
    Wellington: $65,974

    IOW, Wellingtonians are up and about gettin' it done while Aucklanders
    are still sleeping off last night's pissup.

    Only the terminally bewildered would consider that "city of the damned".

    Then try this for the City not only of the Damned but also of the
    Terminally Stupid:

    http://m.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11707361

    But to top it all off, savcur deeply of this melancholy and
    perfectly-timed counterpoint to the government's entire catalogue of
    housing policy fuckups while they and the banks watch in terror as
    those cuddly Chinese "investors" begin to welsh on their obligations:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11708064


    or closer to home: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11706741

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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to Gordon on Monday, September 12, 2016 19:56:24
    On 12 Sep 2016 06:02:24 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@clear.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2016-09-12, Liberty <liberty48@live.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 04:39:28 GMT, slaybot@hotmail.com (Newsman) wrote:



    Meanwhile, for the terminally sour-grapes brigade who can never get >>>enough stats:

    Comparative per capita GDPs for 2015:

    Auckland: $56,997
    Wellington: $65,974

    That Wellington figure is not comparable with Auckland or in fact anywhere. >> Wellington has had the highest incomes but doesn't produce anything of substance.
    The reason being the city is infested with highly paid public servants.
    And bloated government departments.
    Take Radio Radio NZ for example $35million What has it produced?
    Apart from hours of socialist drivel. Not alot.
    $65,974 is achieved by pillaging the productive.

    That as maybe, but the point is that Auckland with its million dollar houses >has a lower GDP than Wellington, which has a lower average house price than >Auckland.

    This proves that greed is driving the housing prices up.

    Of course it is - although you have not provided any "proof:. That
    greed effectively drives government MPs. Prices in Wellington are now
    rising rapidly, both as Aucklanders try to cash in, would be
    Aucklanders ralise that moving is the only way of being able to buy,
    and as investors realise there is good value out of Auckland.

    Meanwhile rates of homelessness rise in all our major cities, and the government attempts to deny the statistics produced by their own
    departments.

    See http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/84144791/labour-questions-new-homeless-stats
    which was given at the start of the thread - watch for the continued
    attempts to distract from the subject of the thread . . .

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  • From JohnO@3:770/3 to JohnO on Monday, September 12, 2016 01:28:41
    On Monday, 12 September 2016 16:29:02 UTC+12, JohnO wrote:
    On Monday, 12 September 2016 12:37:06 UTC+12, nor...@googlegroups.com wrote:
    JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Monday, 12 September 2016 11:42:34 UTC+12, Newsman wrote:
    On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 09:32:53 +1200, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:


    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/84144791/labour-questions-new-homeless-stats

    Incompetence from Bennet, and the response is lie, deny, distract.
    When will National just do something?

    They certainly seem somewhat sluggish on this issue, especially when
    John Key has admitted that homelessness has increased on his watch.

    After his 2008 victory, he told a gawping nation of gullibles that his >> ambition was - and I quote him - "to make a difference."

    As if to illustrate the difference he had in mind, here's just one
    among a few of the world's typical house-purchase deals - the kind of
    sad and prosaic little dunger $1m currently buys you in the City of
    the Damned:

    http://tinyurl.com/jlhxfle

    Yep, so many people want to move there that the prices keep getting driven
    up.
    Similar problems occur in all the world's desirable cities, of course, but
    in
    dear old windy Wellington, not so much.
    Dear old Wellington is actually less windy than many parts of New Zealand however the people that live in and around Wellington thank the less
    fortunate
    people of Auckland who named the rather special stadium the 'cake tin' in a failed attempt to denograte it (I believe it is the most profitable sports venue in the country but I could be mistaken) and calling Wellington Windy
    when
    it isn't all that bad. And finally for recognising that Wellington is a
    world
    class cultural centre.

    Tongue firmly in cheek, Tony - just winding up dear old Keith.

    And as you see below, it was all too easy to land that dilapidated old bass.


    I think it is usually TV sports people that refer to the stadium as "Cake
    Tin" - I don't think Aucklanders generally do.

    As far as I'm concerned, any oval ground is rubbish as a rugby ground and
    therefore Forsyth Barr is easily the best in NZ followed by Hamilton's Rugby Park.


    Only the terminally bewildered would consider that "city of the damned".


    Risible in all its abject pathos, one can only agree, but it seems
    John Key's ambition truly has been achieved; and you can't say fairer
    than that, can you?

    Tony

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  • From JohnO@3:770/3 to Newsman on Monday, September 12, 2016 01:36:18
    On Monday, 12 September 2016 16:39:29 UTC+12, Newsman wrote:
    On Sun, 11 Sep 2016 19:37:00 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
    dot nz> wrote:

    JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Monday, 12 September 2016 11:42:34 UTC+12, Newsman wrote:
    On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 09:32:53 +1200, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:


    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/84144791/labour-questions-new-homeless-stats

    Incompetence from Bennet, and the response is lie, deny, distract.
    When will National just do something?

    They certainly seem somewhat sluggish on this issue, especially when
    John Key has admitted that homelessness has increased on his watch.

    After his 2008 victory, he told a gawping nation of gullibles that his >>> ambition was - and I quote him - "to make a difference."

    As if to illustrate the difference he had in mind, here's just one
    among a few of the world's typical house-purchase deals - the kind of
    sad and prosaic little dunger $1m currently buys you in the City of
    the Damned:

    http://tinyurl.com/jlhxfle

    Yep, so many people want to move there that the prices keep getting driven
    up.

    Yup, all those asian kitchen hands and bottle-washers are jamming


    Are you proud to display your ignorance here, Keith?

    Those with a little more world view than yourself are aware that the largest sources of immigration are returning New Zealanders and Australians.

    immigration, eager to pounce on a minimum-wage job so they can afford million-dollar dungers.....in Onehunga, for crying out loud!

    Really Keith, you are embarrassing yourself with this drivel.


    Similar problems occur in all the world's desirable cities, of course, but
    in
    dear old windy Wellington, not so much.

    Dear old Wellington is actually less windy than many parts of New Zealand

    Correct. More often than not, Cook Strait crossings may be cancelled
    while in locations away from direct exposure to the harbour and the
    Strait hardly a leaf stirs.

    however the people that live in and around Wellington thank the less
    fortunate
    people of Auckland who named the rather special stadium the 'cake tin' in a >failed attempt to denograte it (I believe it is the most profitable sports >venue in the country but I could be mistaken) and calling Wellington Windy
    when
    it isn't all that bad. And finally for recognising that Wellington is a
    world
    class cultural centre.

    Not only that, but recognised and applauded for it by none other than
    the original exemplar and mentor, Edinburgh. So successful, in fact,
    that Auckland has more recently decided to ape it with its own me-too efforts, albeit the coarser quality of its local bar-room talent is at
    times just a little de trôp.

    Meanwhile, for the terminally sour-grapes brigade who can never get
    enough stats:

    Comparative per capita GDPs for 2015:

    Auckland: $56,997
    Wellington: $65,974

    A preponderance of overpaid clipboard toting public servants and local politicians will do that. Too bad that so few of them are involved in the productive economy.

    It's all here: http://www.stats.govt.nz/browse_for_stats/economic_indicators/NationalAccounts/RegionalGDP_HOTPYeMar15.aspx

    Poor old Wellington now surpassed by Christchurch for economic weight. How long
    before it slips behind Hamilton's cow cockies?. It's pedaling backwards to hick
    town status with its *declining* contribution to the nation's GDP.

    Apart from public sector and a movie production facility, what does Wellington offer? The locals claim they have great coffee?

    Now ask yourself, why are all these immigrants heading to Auckland and not Wellington?


    IOW, Wellingtonians are up and about gettin' it done while Aucklanders
    are still sleeping off last night's pissup.

    And what exactly are they "gettin' it done" (sic) in Wellington? Exporting bureaucratic services?

    Auckland's value is many times that in any sector you care to name be it manufacturing, services, tourism, agriculture or whatever.


    Only the terminally bewildered would consider that "city of the damned".

    Then try this for the City not only of the Damned but also of the
    Terminally Stupid:

    http://m.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11707361

    Opinion trivia from a talk back host. Is that really the best you can do? Really, Keith?


    But to top it all off, savcur deeply of this melancholy and

    What?

    perfectly-timed counterpoint to the government's entire catalogue of
    housing policy fuckups while they and the banks watch in terror as
    those cuddly Chinese "investors" begin to welsh on their obligations:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11708064

    The "International Strategic Studies Association" - never heard of them. But I'm glad you found something to make you feel better.

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  • From Tony @3:770/3 to JohnO on Monday, September 12, 2016 06:09:58
    JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Monday, 12 September 2016 12:37:06 UTC+12, nor...@googlegroups.com wrote: >> JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Monday, 12 September 2016 11:42:34 UTC+12, Newsman wrote:
    On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 09:32:53 +1200, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:



    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/84144791/labour-questions-new-homeless-stats

    Incompetence from Bennet, and the response is lie, deny, distract.
    When will National just do something?

    They certainly seem somewhat sluggish on this issue, especially when
    John Key has admitted that homelessness has increased on his watch.

    After his 2008 victory, he told a gawping nation of gullibles that his
    ambition was - and I quote him - "to make a difference."

    As if to illustrate the difference he had in mind, here's just one
    among a few of the world's typical house-purchase deals - the kind of
    sad and prosaic little dunger $1m currently buys you in the City of
    the Damned:

    http://tinyurl.com/jlhxfle

    Yep, so many people want to move there that the prices keep getting driven >> >up.
    Similar problems occur in all the world's desirable cities, of course, but >> >in
    dear old windy Wellington, not so much.
    Dear old Wellington is actually less windy than many parts of New Zealand
    however the people that live in and around Wellington thank the less >>fortunate
    people of Auckland who named the rather special stadium the 'cake tin' in a >> failed attempt to denograte it (I believe it is the most profitable sports >> venue in the country but I could be mistaken) and calling Wellington Windy >>when
    it isn't all that bad. And finally for recognising that Wellington is a >>world
    class cultural centre.

    Tongue firmly in cheek, Tony - just winding up dear old Keith.
    Tongue in cheek, yes, up to a point.

    I think it is usually TV sports people that refer to the stadium as "Cake Tin" >- I don't think Aucklanders generally do.
    That could be right!

    As far as I'm concerned, any oval ground is rubbish as a rugby ground and >therefore Forsyth Barr is easily the best in NZ followed by Hamilton's Rugby >Park
    OK but Wellington has arguably the best Cricket test match ground in the Basin Reserve and artistic, performing arts and musical culture is a firm leader.


    Only the terminally bewildered would consider that "city of the damned".


    Risible in all its abject pathos, one can only agree, but it seems
    John Key's ambition truly has been achieved; and you can't say fairer
    than that, can you?

    Tony

    Tony

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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to All on Tuesday, September 13, 2016 00:50:42
    On 12/09/2016 9:32 a.m., Rich80105 wrote:
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/84144791/labour-questions-new-homeless-stats

    Incompetence from Bennet, and the response is lie, deny, distract.
    When will National just do something?


    Rich. Little and Labour aren't government yet and t looks like it's
    going to be a loooong time before they are. after all the headline was:
    Labour questions new homeless stats. NOT Bennet questions new homeless
    stats. But please don't let inconvenient facts like that ruin a good
    smear.....

    Pooh

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  • From Liberty@3:770/3 to rich80105@hotmail.com on Tuesday, September 13, 2016 10:04:28
    On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 18:07:53 +1200, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 17:08:48 +1200, Liberty <liberty48@live.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 04:39:28 GMT, slaybot@hotmail.com (Newsman) wrote:



    Meanwhile, for the terminally sour-grapes brigade who can never get >>>enough stats:

    Comparative per capita GDPs for 2015:

    Auckland: $56,997
    Wellington: $65,974

    That Wellington figure is not comparable with Auckland or in fact anywhere. >>Wellington has had the highest incomes but doesn't produce anything of substance.
    The reason being the city is infested with highly paid public servants.
    And bloated government departments.
    Take Radio Radio NZ for example $35million What has it produced?
    A top rating for New Zealand radio stations for a start - does market
    share mean anything to you :Liberty"?

    Apart from hours of socialist drivel. Not alot.
    Really? I haven't heard any. Most programmes on RNZ are now available
    through their website - can you give a couple of examples?

    2 examples http://www.radionz.co.nz/search/results?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=kim+hill&commit=Search then repeated how bad is that.


    $65,974 is achieved by pillaging the productive.
    Meanignless drivel - cite?.

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  • From Allistar@3:770/3 to All on Tuesday, September 13, 2016 09:27:46
    Rich80105 wrote:

    On 12 Sep 2016 06:02:24 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@clear.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2016-09-12, Liberty <liberty48@live.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 04:39:28 GMT, slaybot@hotmail.com (Newsman) wrote:



    Meanwhile, for the terminally sour-grapes brigade who can never get >>>>enough stats:

    Comparative per capita GDPs for 2015:

    Auckland: $56,997
    Wellington: $65,974

    That Wellington figure is not comparable with Auckland or in fact
    anywhere.
    Wellington has had the highest incomes but doesn't produce anything of
    substance. The reason being the city is infested with highly paid public >>> servants.
    And bloated government departments.
    Take Radio Radio NZ for example $35million What has it produced?
    Apart from hours of socialist drivel. Not alot.
    $65,974 is achieved by pillaging the productive.

    That as maybe, but the point is that Auckland with its million dollar >>houses has a lower GDP than Wellington, which has a lower average house >>price than Auckland.

    This proves that greed is driving the housing prices up.

    Of course it is - although you have not provided any "proof:. That
    greed effectively drives government MPs. Prices in Wellington are now
    rising rapidly, both as Aucklanders try to cash in, would be
    Aucklanders ralise that moving is the only way of being able to buy,
    and as investors realise there is good value out of Auckland.

    Wanting to make money is not "greed".
    --
    "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs."
    creates the incentive to minimize your abilities and maximize your needs.

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  • From Allistar@3:770/3 to All on Tuesday, September 13, 2016 09:24:40
    Rich80105 wrote:

    On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 17:08:48 +1200, Liberty <liberty48@live.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 04:39:28 GMT, slaybot@hotmail.com (Newsman) wrote:



    Meanwhile, for the terminally sour-grapes brigade who can never get >>>enough stats:

    Comparative per capita GDPs for 2015:

    Auckland: $56,997
    Wellington: $65,974

    That Wellington figure is not comparable with Auckland or in fact
    anywhere.
    Wellington has had the highest incomes but doesn't produce anything of >>substance. The reason being the city is infested with highly paid public >>servants.
    And bloated government departments.
    Take Radio Radio NZ for example $35million What has it produced?

    A top rating for New Zealand radio stations for a start - does market
    share mean anything to you :Liberty"?

    Not when it's paid for by the taxation of their competitors, listeners and
    non listeners alike. If they have such a good market share then surely
    they're viable as a private business making their own way! They shouldn't
    get a cent of taxpayer money.

    Apart from hours of socialist drivel. Not alot.

    Really? I haven't heard any. Most programmes on RNZ are now available
    through their website - can you give a couple of examples?

    $65,974 is achieved by pillaging the productive.

    Meanignless drivel - cite?.

    Where do they get their funding from? The state. Where do they get their funding from? Hard working New Zealanders.
    --
    "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs."
    creates the incentive to minimize your abilities and maximize your needs.

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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to All on Tuesday, September 13, 2016 16:18:37
    On Tue, 13 Sep 2016 10:04:28 +1200, Liberty <liberty48@live.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 18:07:53 +1200, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 17:08:48 +1200, Liberty <liberty48@live.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 04:39:28 GMT, slaybot@hotmail.com (Newsman) wrote:



    Meanwhile, for the terminally sour-grapes brigade who can never get >>>>enough stats:

    Comparative per capita GDPs for 2015:

    Auckland: $56,997
    Wellington: $65,974

    That Wellington figure is not comparable with Auckland or in fact anywhere. >>>Wellington has had the highest incomes but doesn't produce anything of substance.
    The reason being the city is infested with highly paid public servants. >>>And bloated government departments.
    Take Radio Radio NZ for example $35million What has it produced?
    A top rating for New Zealand radio stations for a start - does market
    share mean anything to you :Liberty"?

    Apart from hours of socialist drivel. Not alot.
    Really? I haven't heard any. Most programmes on RNZ are now available >>through their website - can you give a couple of examples?

    2 examples >http://www.radionz.co.nz/search/results?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=kim+hill&commit=Search
    then repeated how bad is that.

    What was socialist in that?



    $65,974 is achieved by pillaging the productive.
    Meanignless drivel - cite?.

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