• Labour is doomed

    From Liberty@3:770/3 to All on Thursday, July 21, 2016 20:23:57
    http://www.roymorgan.com/findings/6902-roy-morgan-new-zealand-voting-intention-july-2016-201607211639

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  • From george152@3:770/3 to Liberty on Friday, July 22, 2016 08:51:42
    On 7/21/2016 8:23 PM, Liberty wrote:
    http://www.roymorgan.com/findings/6902-roy-morgan-new-zealand-voting-intention-july-2016-201607211639


    Well they only have themselves to blame.
    The constant harping on about the homeless is a big put off.
    And the 'housing shortage' is not the governments concern when the
    councils refuse to allow land and building permits

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  • From Fred@3:770/3 to All on Friday, July 22, 2016 09:15:43
    On 22/07/2016 8:51 AM, george152 wrote:
    On 7/21/2016 8:23 PM, Liberty wrote:
    http://www.roymorgan.com/findings/6902-roy-morgan-new-zealand-voting-intention-july-2016-201607211639



    Well they only have themselves to blame.
    The constant harping on about the homeless is a big put off.
    And the 'housing shortage' is not the governments concern when the
    councils refuse to allow land and building permits

    Labour-Green will make no progress at all with Little at the helm.
    They've had it if they go to the election with him as leader. Key will annihilate him in any debate. Problem is they don't have anyone to step
    in as king-pin..

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  • From george152@3:770/3 to Fred on Friday, July 22, 2016 10:22:54
    On 7/22/2016 9:15 AM, Fred wrote:
    On 22/07/2016 8:51 AM, george152 wrote:
    On 7/21/2016 8:23 PM, Liberty wrote:
    http://www.roymorgan.com/findings/6902-roy-morgan-new-zealand-voting-intention-july-2016-201607211639




    Well they only have themselves to blame.
    The constant harping on about the homeless is a big put off.
    And the 'housing shortage' is not the governments concern when the
    councils refuse to allow land and building permits

    Labour-Green will make no progress at all with Little at the helm.
    They've had it if they go to the election with him as leader. Key will annihilate him in any debate. Problem is they don't have anyone to step
    in as king-pin..

    Were I associated with Liebor, the greens or winston first I would be
    going back to the drawing board and rethinking whatever plan it is they
    think they have.
    We're sick of the preachy shit, the dirty tricks, biased media and the perpetual Key did it nonsense.
    Otherwise they're dog tucker (again)

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  • From Newsman@3:770/3 to gblack@hnpl.net on Thursday, July 21, 2016 23:07:02
    On Fri, 22 Jul 2016 08:51:42 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

    On 7/21/2016 8:23 PM, Liberty wrote:
    http://www.roymorgan.com/findings/6902-roy-morgan-new-zealand-voting-intention-july-2016-201607211639


    Well they only have themselves to blame.
    The constant harping on about the homeless is a big put off.
    And the 'housing shortage' is not the governments concern when the
    councils refuse to allow land and building permits

    So, where's John Key in this debacle? Here's where:

    "The leader of the Government is more worried about the short-term
    fates of leveraged-up speculators and developers than the long-term
    fate of Generation Rent.

    "Despite years of saying the only way to improve housing affordability
    is to increase supply, his position is any increase in supply that
    hurts the investors who have bought in the past couple of years is out
    of the question." (Bernard Hickey)

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/bernard-hickey/news/article.cfm?a_id=625&objectid=11671668

    Be that as it may, it can only be that the polling shows a greatly
    increased confidence in National's self-evident mastery of a
    ballooning housing crisis - ameliorated somewhat by WINZ's kindly
    direction of its homeless clientele to garage landlords and mildewed
    dungers - and all of it under the ineffably competent management of no
    fewer than four housing ministers.

    Plus....a masochistic and increasingly bewildered Reserve Bank
    Governor trapped like a rat in his own Catch-22.

    What's not to like, eh?

    Sheer genius!

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  • From george152@3:770/3 to All on Friday, July 22, 2016 12:43:09
    On 7/22/2016 11:07 AM, Newsman wrote:
    Bernard Hickey..
    Now , there's your problem, using a bias as a source

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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to gblack@hnpl.net on Friday, July 22, 2016 21:30:37
    On Fri, 22 Jul 2016 12:43:09 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

    On 7/22/2016 11:07 AM, Newsman wrote:
    Bernard Hickey..
    Now , there's your problem, using a bias as a source

    So who do yuo rely on, george?

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/mediawatch/audio/201807260/is-a-'post-truth'-era-upon-us

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  • From Crash@3:770/3 to gblack@hnpl.net on Sunday, July 24, 2016 21:15:42
    On Fri, 22 Jul 2016 10:22:54 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

    On 7/22/2016 9:15 AM, Fred wrote:
    On 22/07/2016 8:51 AM, george152 wrote:
    On 7/21/2016 8:23 PM, Liberty wrote:
    http://www.roymorgan.com/findings/6902-roy-morgan-new-zealand-voting-intention-july-2016-201607211639




    Well they only have themselves to blame.
    The constant harping on about the homeless is a big put off.
    And the 'housing shortage' is not the governments concern when the
    councils refuse to allow land and building permits

    Labour-Green will make no progress at all with Little at the helm.
    They've had it if they go to the election with him as leader. Key will
    annihilate him in any debate. Problem is they don't have anyone to step
    in as king-pin..

    Were I associated with Liebor, the greens or winston first I would be
    going back to the drawing board and rethinking whatever plan it is they
    think they have.
    We're sick of the preachy shit, the dirty tricks, biased media and the >perpetual Key did it nonsense.
    Otherwise they're dog tucker (again)

    Actually Labour is dog-tucker alone. They have simply been unable to
    work out how to recapture the popular support they had while Clark was Parliamentary leader. Winston First and the Greens are both List-only
    parties and each struggle to get a double-digit party vote percentage.

    Support for Labour, in both electorate and party vote, is at record
    lows and they simply don't seem to know how to get it back.


    --
    Crash McBash

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  • From george152@3:770/3 to Crash on Monday, July 25, 2016 08:30:59
    On 7/24/2016 9:15 PM, Crash wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Jul 2016 10:22:54 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

    On 7/22/2016 9:15 AM, Fred wrote:
    On 22/07/2016 8:51 AM, george152 wrote:
    On 7/21/2016 8:23 PM, Liberty wrote:
    http://www.roymorgan.com/findings/6902-roy-morgan-new-zealand-voting-intention-july-2016-201607211639




    Well they only have themselves to blame.
    The constant harping on about the homeless is a big put off.
    And the 'housing shortage' is not the governments concern when the
    councils refuse to allow land and building permits

    Labour-Green will make no progress at all with Little at the helm.
    They've had it if they go to the election with him as leader. Key will
    annihilate him in any debate. Problem is they don't have anyone to step
    in as king-pin..

    Were I associated with Liebor, the greens or winston first I would be
    going back to the drawing board and rethinking whatever plan it is they
    think they have.
    We're sick of the preachy shit, the dirty tricks, biased media and the
    perpetual Key did it nonsense.
    Otherwise they're dog tucker (again)

    Actually Labour is dog-tucker alone. They have simply been unable to
    work out how to recapture the popular support they had while Clark was Parliamentary leader. Winston First and the Greens are both List-only parties and each struggle to get a double-digit party vote percentage.

    Support for Labour, in both electorate and party vote, is at record
    lows and they simply don't seem to know how to get it back.


    And with the fan base they have on here I don't hold out any hope that
    there's any 'revitalisation' going on...
    Oh and they invented a poll that showed them even with National.
    You just can't write comedy like that deliberately

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  • From JohnO@3:770/3 to All on Sunday, July 24, 2016 15:35:55
    On Friday, 22 July 2016 21:30:54 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Jul 2016 12:43:09 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

    On 7/22/2016 11:07 AM, Newsman wrote:
    Bernard Hickey..
    Now , there's your problem, using a bias as a source

    So who do yuo rely on, george?

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/mediawatch/audio/201807260/is-a-'post-truth'-era-upon-us

    Nobody in their right mind would rely on "Red Radio".

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  • From george152@3:770/3 to JohnO on Monday, July 25, 2016 13:15:25
    On 7/25/2016 10:35 AM, JohnO wrote:
    On Friday, 22 July 2016 21:30:54 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Jul 2016 12:43:09 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

    On 7/22/2016 11:07 AM, Newsman wrote:
    Bernard Hickey..
    Now , there's your problem, using a bias as a source

    So who do yuo rely on, george?

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/mediawatch/audio/201807260/is-a-'post-truth'-era-upon-us

    Nobody in their right mind would rely on "Red Radio".

    But rich believes.
    By the bye I wouldn't take the word of any of the current commentators
    who forget that their job is to report the news not create or be a part
    of it.

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  • From JohnO@3:770/3 to george on Sunday, July 24, 2016 20:13:15
    On Monday, 25 July 2016 13:15:28 UTC+12, george wrote:
    On 7/25/2016 10:35 AM, JohnO wrote:
    On Friday, 22 July 2016 21:30:54 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Jul 2016 12:43:09 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

    On 7/22/2016 11:07 AM, Newsman wrote:
    Bernard Hickey..
    Now , there's your problem, using a bias as a source

    So who do yuo rely on, george?

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/mediawatch/audio/201807260/is-a-'post-truth'-era-upon-us

    Nobody in their right mind would rely on "Red Radio".

    But rich believes.
    By the bye I wouldn't take the word of any of the current commentators
    who forget that their job is to report the news not create or be a part
    of it.

    Exactly. I want the facts reported, not some wet reporter's opinions.

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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to All on Monday, July 25, 2016 16:33:27
    On Sun, 24 Jul 2016 20:13:15 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Monday, 25 July 2016 13:15:28 UTC+12, george wrote:
    On 7/25/2016 10:35 AM, JohnO wrote:
    On Friday, 22 July 2016 21:30:54 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Jul 2016 12:43:09 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

    On 7/22/2016 11:07 AM, Newsman wrote:
    Bernard Hickey..
    Now , there's your problem, using a bias as a source

    So who do yuo rely on, george?

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/mediawatch/audio/201807260/is-a-'post-truth'-era-upon-us

    Nobody in their right mind would rely on "Red Radio".

    But rich believes.
    By the bye I wouldn't take the word of any of the current commentators
    who forget that their job is to report the news not create or be a part
    of it.

    Exactly. I want the facts reported, not some wet reporter's opinions.

    Do you think Bernard Hickey is a wet reporter, JohnO?

    From earlier in the thread:
    "The leader of the Government is more worried about the short-term
    fates of leveraged-up speculators and developers than the long-term
    fate of Generation Rent.

    "Despite years of saying the only way to improve housing affordability
    is to increase supply, his position is any increase in supply that
    hurts the investors who have bought in the past couple of years is out
    of the question." (Bernard Hickey)

    Which part of his "opinion" do you disagree with?

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/bernard-hickey/news/article.cfm?a_id=625&objectid=11671668

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  • From JohnO@3:770/3 to All on Sunday, July 24, 2016 22:24:24
    On Monday, 25 July 2016 16:33:31 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sun, 24 Jul 2016 20:13:15 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Monday, 25 July 2016 13:15:28 UTC+12, george wrote:
    On 7/25/2016 10:35 AM, JohnO wrote:
    On Friday, 22 July 2016 21:30:54 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Jul 2016 12:43:09 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote: >> >>
    On 7/22/2016 11:07 AM, Newsman wrote:
    Bernard Hickey..
    Now , there's your problem, using a bias as a source

    So who do yuo rely on, george?

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/mediawatch/audio/201807260/is-a-'post-truth'-era-upon-us

    Nobody in their right mind would rely on "Red Radio".

    But rich believes.
    By the bye I wouldn't take the word of any of the current commentators
    who forget that their job is to report the news not create or be a part
    of it.

    Exactly. I want the facts reported, not some wet reporter's opinions.

    Do you think Bernard Hickey is a wet reporter, JohnO?

    No. Bernard Hickey is a catastrophically failed finance commentator.

    He's the guy who announced in 2012 he's selling and moving to Wellington. He sold his 4 bdrm Epsom home for $1.05m.

    What a genius - he's missed out on a tax free gain of at least $600k in the subsequent 4 years!



    From earlier in the thread:
    "The leader of the Government is more worried about the short-term
    fates of leveraged-up speculators and developers than the long-term
    fate of Generation Rent.

    "Despite years of saying the only way to improve housing affordability
    is to increase supply, his position is any increase in supply that
    hurts the investors who have bought in the past couple of years is out
    of the question." (Bernard Hickey)

    Which part of his "opinion" do you disagree with?

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/bernard-hickey/news/article.cfm?a_id=625&objectid=11671668

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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to JohnO on Wednesday, July 27, 2016 22:50:18
    On 25/07/2016 5:24 p.m., JohnO wrote:
    On Monday, 25 July 2016 16:33:31 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sun, 24 Jul 2016 20:13:15 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Monday, 25 July 2016 13:15:28 UTC+12, george wrote:
    On 7/25/2016 10:35 AM, JohnO wrote:
    On Friday, 22 July 2016 21:30:54 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Jul 2016 12:43:09 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote: >>>>>>
    On 7/22/2016 11:07 AM, Newsman wrote:
    Bernard Hickey..
    Now , there's your problem, using a bias as a source

    So who do yuo rely on, george?

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/mediawatch/audio/201807260/is-a-'post-truth'-era-upon-us

    Nobody in their right mind would rely on "Red Radio".

    But rich believes.
    By the bye I wouldn't take the word of any of the current commentators >>>> who forget that their job is to report the news not create or be a part >>>> of it.

    Exactly. I want the facts reported, not some wet reporter's opinions.

    Do you think Bernard Hickey is a wet reporter, JohnO?

    No. Bernard Hickey is a catastrophically failed finance commentator.

    He's the guy who announced in 2012 he's selling and moving to Wellington. He
    sold his 4 bdrm Epsom home for $1.05m.

    What a genius - he's missed out on a tax free gain of at least $600k in the
    subsequent 4 years!



    From earlier in the thread:
    "The leader of the Government is more worried about the short-term
    fates of leveraged-up speculators and developers than the long-term
    fate of Generation Rent.

    "Despite years of saying the only way to improve housing affordability
    is to increase supply, his position is any increase in supply that
    hurts the investors who have bought in the past couple of years is out
    of the question." (Bernard Hickey)

    Which part of his "opinion" do you disagree with?

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/bernard-hickey/news/article.cfm?a_id=625&objectid=11671668


    Go easy on Rich mate. It must be getting even harder for the trolling
    little shit to keep up his Labour good, National bad mantra with angry
    little Andy doing about 78 revolutions a minute on his sound bite policys.

    Pooh

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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to Liberty on Wednesday, July 27, 2016 22:45:16
    On 21/07/2016 8:23 p.m., Liberty wrote:
    http://www.roymorgan.com/findings/6902-roy-morgan-new-zealand-voting-intention-july-2016-201607211639


    Labour died the day Clark resigned Lib. They're just a mouldering and
    smelly corpse these days.

    Pooh

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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to JohnO on Wednesday, July 27, 2016 22:54:59
    On 25/07/2016 5:24 p.m., JohnO wrote:
    On Monday, 25 July 2016 16:33:31 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sun, 24 Jul 2016 20:13:15 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Monday, 25 July 2016 13:15:28 UTC+12, george wrote:
    On 7/25/2016 10:35 AM, JohnO wrote:
    On Friday, 22 July 2016 21:30:54 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Jul 2016 12:43:09 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote: >>>>>>
    On 7/22/2016 11:07 AM, Newsman wrote:
    Bernard Hickey..
    Now , there's your problem, using a bias as a source

    So who do yuo rely on, george?

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/mediawatch/audio/201807260/is-a-'post-truth'-era-upon-us

    Nobody in their right mind would rely on "Red Radio".

    But rich believes.
    By the bye I wouldn't take the word of any of the current commentators >>>> who forget that their job is to report the news not create or be a part >>>> of it.

    Exactly. I want the facts reported, not some wet reporter's opinions.

    Do you think Bernard Hickey is a wet reporter, JohnO?

    No. Bernard Hickey is a catastrophically failed finance commentator.

    He's the guy who announced in 2012 he's selling and moving to Wellington. He
    sold his 4 bdrm Epsom home for $1.05m.

    What a genius - he's missed out on a tax free gain of at least $600k in the
    subsequent 4 years!



    From earlier in the thread:
    "The leader of the Government is more worried about the short-term
    fates of leveraged-up speculators and developers than the long-term
    fate of Generation Rent.

    "Despite years of saying the only way to improve housing affordability
    is to increase supply, his position is any increase in supply that
    hurts the investors who have bought in the past couple of years is out
    of the question." (Bernard Hickey)

    Which part of his "opinion" do you disagree with?

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/bernard-hickey/news/article.cfm?a_id=625&objectid=11671668


    Go easy on Rich mate. It must be getting even harder for the trolling
    little shit to keep up his Labour good, National bad mantra with angry
    little Andy doing about 78 revolutions a minute on his sound bite forget
    that it's great to be able to throw huge sums of money at problems like
    the 'housing crisis' in Auckland. But regrettably to be able to do
    anything you need feet on the ground and according to a couple of
    builders I've discussed that with there just ain't the tradesmen needed
    for the regular building going on let alone the tens of thousands that'd
    be needed for both Nationals solution and little Andys sound bite policy:)

    Pooh.

    Pooh

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