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    From Rich80105@3:770/3 to All on Tuesday, May 17, 2016 22:43:08
    Housing problems can be solved - can New Zealand learn from others? http://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/find-out-how-this-canadian-city-has-eliminated-homelessness/
    and
    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3uirft

    The other question of course is should we?

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  • From JohnO@3:770/3 to Allistar on Tuesday, May 17, 2016 15:01:50
    On Wednesday, 18 May 2016 09:45:47 UTC+12, Allistar wrote:
    Rich80105 wrote:

    Housing problems can be solved - can New Zealand learn from others? http://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/find-out-how-this-canadian-city-has-eliminated-homelessness/
    and
    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3uirft

    The other question of course is should we?

    We have a housing shortage. Where do you expect these extra houses to come from?


    Indeed, and where is the land to build them on?

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  • From JohnO@3:770/3 to All on Tuesday, May 17, 2016 15:01:26
    On Tuesday, 17 May 2016 22:43:13 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    Housing problems can be solved - can New Zealand learn from others? http://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/find-out-how-this-canadian-city-has-eliminated-homelessness/
    and
    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3uirft

    The other question of course is should we?

    New Zealand's housing shortage is largely an Auckland problem. Clearly there's a big difference between a "city" with a static population of around 63,000 in the middle of nowhere with essentially unlimited space around it...

    .. and a city with population growing rapidly towards 1.5 million and no free space around it.

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  • From Allistar@3:770/3 to All on Wednesday, May 18, 2016 09:45:46
    Rich80105 wrote:

    Housing problems can be solved - can New Zealand learn from others? http://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/find-out-how-this-canadian-city-has-eliminated-homelessness/
    and
    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3uirft

    The other question of course is should we?

    We have a housing shortage. Where do you expect these extra houses to come from?
    --
    "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs."
    creates the incentive to minimize your abilities and maximize your needs.

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  • From Allistar@3:770/3 to JohnO on Wednesday, May 18, 2016 10:23:13
    JohnO wrote:

    On Wednesday, 18 May 2016 09:45:47 UTC+12, Allistar wrote:
    Rich80105 wrote:

    Housing problems can be solved - can New Zealand learn from others?
    http://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/find-out-how-this-canadian-city-has-eliminated-homelessness/
    and
    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3uirft

    The other question of course is should we?

    We have a housing shortage. Where do you expect these extra houses to
    come from?


    Indeed, and where is the land to build them on?

    One of the solutions to this problem has to be for people to consider living outside of Auckland, but not in the Bay of Plenty (there are enough Jafas
    here as it is).
    --
    "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs."
    creates the incentive to minimize your abilities and maximize your needs.

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  • From victor@3:770/3 to Allistar on Wednesday, May 18, 2016 10:54:39
    On 18/05/2016 9:45 a.m., Allistar wrote:
    Rich80105 wrote:

    Housing problems can be solved - can New Zealand learn from others?
    http://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/find-out-how-this-canadian-city-has-eliminated-homelessness/
    and
    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3uirft

    The other question of course is should we?

    We have a housing shortage. Where do you expect these extra houses to come from?


    Build apartments just like they build new government office blocks.
    Pay it forward.
    Or they will have to build more prisons

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  • From JohnO@3:770/3 to victor on Tuesday, May 17, 2016 16:50:11
    On Wednesday, 18 May 2016 10:54:53 UTC+12, victor wrote:
    On 18/05/2016 9:45 a.m., Allistar wrote:
    Rich80105 wrote:

    Housing problems can be solved - can New Zealand learn from others?
    http://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/find-out-how-this-canadian-city-has-eliminated-homelessness/
    and
    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3uirft

    The other question of course is should we?

    We have a housing shortage. Where do you expect these extra houses to come from?


    Build apartments just like they build new government office blocks.
    Pay it forward.
    Or they will have to build more prisons

    Lovely. Let's build 1960's London style housing estates! How very "Soviet".

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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to victor on Wednesday, May 18, 2016 11:54:49
    "victor" <user1@example.net> wrote in message news:nhg7fj$1oab$1@gioia.aioe.org...
    On 18/05/2016 9:45 a.m., Allistar wrote:
    Rich80105 wrote:

    Housing problems can be solved - can New Zealand learn from others?
    http://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/find-out-how-this-canadian-city-has-eliminated-homelessness/
    and
    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3uirft

    The other question of course is should we?

    We have a housing shortage. Where do you expect these extra houses to
    come
    from?


    Build apartments just like they build new government office blocks.
    Pay it forward.
    Or they will have to build more prisons

    Buiding more appartments is a simplistic approach in your usual inimitable fashion victor. Auckland hs reached the stage where it'll breed more
    criminals purely because their are to many people. Much like the experiment with rats back in the seventys overcrowding will only cause more
    unacceptable behaviour so following your suggestion they'll also need to
    build more prisons to handle the overcrowding problems Auckland will cause.

    Pooh

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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to rich80105@hotmail.com on Wednesday, May 18, 2016 11:49:11
    "Rich80105" <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:s7tljbdtthilb2qb0v41kls2k8a1m8060u@4ax.com...
    Housing problems can be solved - can New Zealand learn from others? http://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/find-out-how-this-canadian-city-has-eliminated-homelessness/
    and
    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3uirft

    The other question of course is should we?

    Yes! Mainly because it'll make angry little Andy and his merry Labour party look less like dumb bastards that they do now.

    Pooh

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  • From Pooh@3:770/3 to Allistar on Wednesday, May 18, 2016 11:50:21
    "Allistar" <me@hiddenaddress.com> wrote in message news:U4idnTK6u7SXDKbKnZ2dnUU7-fGdnZ2d@giganews.com...
    Rich80105 wrote:

    Housing problems can be solved - can New Zealand learn from others?
    http://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/find-out-how-this-canadian-city-has-eliminated-homelessness/
    and
    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3uirft

    The other question of course is should we?

    We have a housing shortage. Where do you expect these extra houses to come from?
    --
    "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs." creates the incentive to minimize your abilities and maximize your needs.

    From the same mysterious place that Labour expects to find the money for all it's other unaffordable policys.

    Pooh

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  • From george152@3:770/3 to JohnO on Wednesday, May 18, 2016 13:29:02
    On 5/18/2016 11:50 AM, JohnO wrote:
    On Wednesday, 18 May 2016 10:54:53 UTC+12, victor wrote:
    On 18/05/2016 9:45 a.m., Allistar wrote:
    Rich80105 wrote:

    Housing problems can be solved - can New Zealand learn from others?
    http://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/find-out-how-this-canadian-city-has-eliminated-homelessness/
    and
    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3uirft

    The other question of course is should we?

    We have a housing shortage. Where do you expect these extra houses to come >>> from?


    Build apartments just like they build new government office blocks.
    Pay it forward.
    Or they will have to build more prisons

    Lovely. Let's build 1960's London style housing estates! How very "Soviet".

    Liebor would love vertical slums.
    I doubt any of those tower blocks still exist...
    There is a great deal of available land in and around Auckland which
    will become available when the Liebor heavy council get fired

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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to All on Wednesday, May 18, 2016 13:57:47
    On Tue, 17 May 2016 16:50:11 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Wednesday, 18 May 2016 10:54:53 UTC+12, victor wrote:
    On 18/05/2016 9:45 a.m., Allistar wrote:
    Rich80105 wrote:

    Housing problems can be solved - can New Zealand learn from others?
    http://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/find-out-how-this-canadian-city-has-eliminated-homelessness/
    and
    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3uirft

    The other question of course is should we?

    We have a housing shortage. Where do you expect these extra houses to come >> > from?


    Build apartments just like they build new government office blocks.
    Pay it forward.
    Or they will have to build more prisons

    Lovely. Let's build 1960's London style housing estates! How very "Soviet".

    Build houses? That's for other people, JohnO.
    Don't worry. Nationals got it just the way they want it: . . . http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/201801125/social-housing-minister-responds-to-criticism-on-homelessness
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11640202

    Of course whether many others agree is another matter, but the
    land-bankers are doubtless happy . . .

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  • From Gordon@3:770/3 to JohnO on Wednesday, May 18, 2016 05:44:20
    On 2016-05-17, JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, 18 May 2016 09:45:47 UTC+12, Allistar wrote:
    Rich80105 wrote:

    Housing problems can be solved - can New Zealand learn from others?
    http://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/find-out-how-this-canadian-city-has-eliminated-homelessness/
    and
    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3uirft

    The other question of course is should we?

    We have a housing shortage. Where do you expect these extra houses to come >> from?


    Indeed, and where is the land to build them on?

    Southland, North Auckland. To nmae two places.

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  • From JohnO@3:770/3 to Gordon on Tuesday, May 17, 2016 23:47:44
    On Wednesday, 18 May 2016 17:44:21 UTC+12, Gordon wrote:
    On 2016-05-17, JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, 18 May 2016 09:45:47 UTC+12, Allistar wrote:
    Rich80105 wrote:

    Housing problems can be solved - can New Zealand learn from others?
    http://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/find-out-how-this-canadian-city-has-eliminated-homelessness/
    and
    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3uirft

    The other question of course is should we?

    We have a housing shortage. Where do you expect these extra houses to come >> from?


    Indeed, and where is the land to build them on?

    Southland, North Auckland. To nmae two places.

    Good grief. There are houses there that you can barely give away. Why on earth would you build there? And before that, you need to understand why these people
    won't move there now?

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  • From george152@3:770/3 to Gordon on Thursday, May 19, 2016 07:51:46
    On 5/18/2016 5:44 PM, Gordon wrote:
    On 2016-05-17, JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, 18 May 2016 09:45:47 UTC+12, Allistar wrote:
    Rich80105 wrote:

    Housing problems can be solved - can New Zealand learn from others?
    http://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/find-out-how-this-canadian-city-has-eliminated-homelessness/
    and
    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3uirft

    The other question of course is should we?

    We have a housing shortage. Where do you expect these extra houses to come >>> from?


    Indeed, and where is the land to build them on?

    Southland, North Auckland. To nmae two places.

    Poor Lieborite. Never been out of city centers.
    Theres all those little towns south of the Bombays surrounded by open land

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  • From george152@3:770/3 to JohnO on Thursday, May 19, 2016 07:54:02
    On 5/18/2016 6:47 PM, JohnO wrote:
    On Wednesday, 18 May 2016 17:44:21 UTC+12, Gordon wrote:
    On 2016-05-17, JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, 18 May 2016 09:45:47 UTC+12, Allistar wrote:
    Rich80105 wrote:

    Housing problems can be solved - can New Zealand learn from others?
    http://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/find-out-how-this-canadian-city-has-eliminated-homelessness/
    and
    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3uirft

    The other question of course is should we?

    We have a housing shortage. Where do you expect these extra houses to come >>>> from?


    Indeed, and where is the land to build them on?

    Southland, North Auckland. To nmae two places.

    Good grief. There are houses there that you can barely give away. Why on
    earth would you build there? And before that, you need to understand why these people won't move there now?

    Why not get the permanently unemployed and ship them off to those areas.
    And open the freed up houses to the first home owners we're hearing all
    about

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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to gblack@hnpl.net on Thursday, May 19, 2016 10:09:53
    On Thu, 19 May 2016 07:51:46 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

    On 5/18/2016 5:44 PM, Gordon wrote:
    On 2016-05-17, JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, 18 May 2016 09:45:47 UTC+12, Allistar wrote:
    Rich80105 wrote:

    Housing problems can be solved - can New Zealand learn from others?
    http://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/find-out-how-this-canadian-city-has-eliminated-homelessness/
    and
    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3uirft

    The other question of course is should we?

    We have a housing shortage. Where do you expect these extra houses to come >>>> from?


    Indeed, and where is the land to build them on?

    Southland, North Auckland. To nmae two places.

    Poor Lieborite. Never been out of city centers.
    Theres all those little towns south of the Bombays surrounded by open land

    Don't upset yourself george - its all under control . . . http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11640706

    Things can't be too bad if we can all have a bit of a laugh . . . so
    here's a few more:
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ciw7FPlUoAQnpx_.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CirXHIpVEAAaMZH.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CipGaBxVAAAf_w-.jpg:large

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  • From Rich80105@3:770/3 to gblack@hnpl.net on Thursday, May 19, 2016 09:41:33
    On Thu, 19 May 2016 07:54:02 +1200, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

    On 5/18/2016 6:47 PM, JohnO wrote:
    On Wednesday, 18 May 2016 17:44:21 UTC+12, Gordon wrote:
    On 2016-05-17, JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, 18 May 2016 09:45:47 UTC+12, Allistar wrote:
    Rich80105 wrote:

    Housing problems can be solved - can New Zealand learn from others? >>>>>> http://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/find-out-how-this-canadian-city-has-eliminated-homelessness/
    and
    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3uirft

    The other question of course is should we?

    We have a housing shortage. Where do you expect these extra houses to come
    from?


    Indeed, and where is the land to build them on?

    Southland, North Auckland. To nmae two places.

    Good grief. There are houses there that you can barely give away. Why on earth would you build there? And before that, you need to understand why these people won't move there now?

    Why not get the permanently unemployed and ship them off to those areas.
    And open the freed up houses to the first home owners we're hearing all
    about

    How would that work, george?

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