From: thangolossus@gmail.com

http://www.smh.com.au/comment/the-only-outcome-if-trump-struck-north-korea-first-20171016-gz1vqu.html

"The difficulties are, first, that the US doesn't know where to find
all the North Korean research and production facilities and weapons.
So an attack might destroy part of their set-up but would probably
leave some intact. The North Koreans recently made the breakthrough of
using solid fuels for their international continental ballistic
missiles. This means that it's much harder for US spy satellites to
spot the long-standing telltale sign of imminent launch, liquid
fuelling hoses and apparatus."

"Second, any kind of military attack risks provoking a North Korean
attack on its immediate neighbour, South Korea, and the 120,000
Americans living there, including US military personnel and their
families. Pyongyang has spent the last 60 years preparing a massive
artillery barrage to annihilate Seoul, just 50 kilometres from the
border. Seoul has a population of 10 million and the greater Seoul
conurbation has more than 20 million. Whenever the US tries to engage
Seoul in making contingency plans for evacuating the Americans, the
South Koreans refuse to engage, according to knowledgeable US sources.
South Korean officials have long feared that the US could attack North
Korea without due heed to the lives of the citizens of Seoul. They
evidently fret that the withdrawal of American citizens could liberate Washington to unleash hostilities."

"The US and North Korea are like a pair of blind boxers, dancing
around each other without knowing each other's position, each braced
for a blow but neither able to land a knockout."

With 120K US citizens living in ROK, along with around 70K Japanese
and many Australians, Chinese and so on - the one thing to look out
for as a precursor to a strike by the US is the start of evacuation
plans by any of these states but particularly the US. Trump does not
want to be responsible for the deaths of more US citizens in the first
hour of combat than in the full 3 years of the Korean War. Logic.


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From: slider@nanashram.com

thang wrote...

"The US and North Korea are like a pair of blind boxers, dancing
around each other without knowing each other's position, each braced
for a blow but neither able to land a knockout."

With 120K US citizens living in ROK, along with around 70K Japanese
and many Australians, Chinese and so on - the one thing to look out
for as a precursor to a strike by the US is the start of evacuation
plans by any of these states but particularly the US. Trump does not
want to be responsible for the deaths of more US citizens in the first
hour of combat than in the full 3 years of the Korean War. Logic.

### - just so much 'acceptable' collateral damage for the US?

and which, more importantly... 'wont' be on THEIR doorstep!

Ps. so does the above now 'replace' your former 'analysis'?

(the one you shrieked at me for not taking seriously enough heh...)

flip-flopper! :)

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From: thangolossus@gmail.com

On Tue, 17 Oct 2017 16:57:49 +0100, slider <slider@nanashram.com>
wrote:

thang wrote...

"The US and North Korea are like a pair of blind boxers, dancing
around each other without knowing each other's position, each braced
for a blow but neither able to land a knockout."

With 120K US citizens living in ROK, along with around 70K Japanese
and many Australians, Chinese and so on - the one thing to look out
for as a precursor to a strike by the US is the start of evacuation
plans by any of these states but particularly the US. Trump does not
want to be responsible for the deaths of more US citizens in the first
hour of combat than in the full 3 years of the Korean War. Logic.

### - just so much 'acceptable' collateral damage for the US?

Tokyo, Seoul, Guam, Manilla - let's see:-

South Korea:

http://time.com/4751933/south-korea-evacuation-exercise-military/

"Around 230,000 U.S. citizens, including 28,500 servicemen and women,
currently live in South Korea."

That's a quarter of a million Americans, Brian.

Japan:

http://www.asiamattersforamerica.org/japan/census-counts-japanese-in-us

"The Japanese Ministry of Justice reported 52,683 registered American
foreign residents in 2008, a number up 15% from 2000. These figures do
not include those US military personnel stationed in Japan, which
number an additional 35,329."

Total in 2008 - 88,000.

Guam:

Unincorporated territory of the US. Population 163,000 in 2016 -
American Nationals.

I'd call Guam "their doorstep", wouldn't you?

and which, more importantly... 'wont' be on THEIR doorstep!

Ps. so does the above now 'replace' your former 'analysis'?

No.

(the one you shrieked at me for not taking seriously enough heh...)

I never shriek. Just calm logical analysis, the kind of analytical
competence your personality can't abide.

flip-flopper! :)

Pot. Kettle. Black.


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From: slider@nanashram.com

On Wed, 18 Oct 2017 00:59:06 +0100, thang ornerythinchus <thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, 17 Oct 2017 16:57:49 +0100, slider <slider@nanashram.com>
wrote:

thang wrote...

"The US and North Korea are like a pair of blind boxers, dancing
around each other without knowing each other's position, each braced
for a blow but neither able to land a knockout."

With 120K US citizens living in ROK, along with around 70K Japanese
and many Australians, Chinese and so on - the one thing to look out
for as a precursor to a strike by the US is the start of evacuation
plans by any of these states but particularly the US. Trump does not
want to be responsible for the deaths of more US citizens in the first
hour of combat than in the full 3 years of the Korean War. Logic.

### - just so much 'acceptable' collateral damage for the US?

Tokyo, Seoul, Guam, Manilla - let's see:-

South Korea:

http://time.com/4751933/south-korea-evacuation-exercise-military/

"Around 230,000 U.S. citizens, including 28,500 servicemen and women, currently live in South Korea."

That's a quarter of a million Americans, Brian.

Japan:

http://www.asiamattersforamerica.org/japan/census-counts-japanese-in-us

"The Japanese Ministry of Justice reported 52,683 registered American
foreign residents in 2008, a number up 15% from 2000. These figures do
not include those US military personnel stationed in Japan, which
number an additional 35,329."

Total in 2008 - 88,000.

Guam:

Unincorporated territory of the US. Population 163,000 in 2016 -
American Nationals.

I'd call Guam "their doorstep", wouldn't you?

### - in such a 'hypothetical' situation it just depends on how many he
gets off, if any?

so maybe he gets one off just before he's annihilated and they'll prolly
shoot it down, or he gets off 6 and maybe only one gets through to
somewhere (who knows where) and there's some serious collateral damage somewhere - BUT - it's ALL ding-dong's fault anyway innit!

see what he did?? see what he did?? (headlines...) and WOULD have done FAR worse if we hadn't stepped in when we DID! we HAD to stop him because he
was always gonna do it anyway! we had no other choice etc etc etc etc...
and besides, it's all too late now to change anything anyway! and the
world is forced to adapt!

pot luck then who gets it (if any + surely not all...) plus ALL the blame
is loaded onto ding-dong! america the hero who saved the day! (so ok not totally if somewhere gets hit, but they'll mobilise grandly to assist
while blaming NK...)

worse case scenario: several get through and the world is in chaos,
america emerges as the clear leader of the world after making sure both
russia, china (and iran too probably) are suitably damaged and set back at least several decades...

even worse case scenario: ww3 ensues... western allied forces, already
well mobilised and in full flight because of NK; do more damage to russia
& china than they manage to do to america before it's all over anyway... america + allies win, and the world (what's left of it) is theirs...

'one' possible hypothetical scenario only... it could go any number of
ways!

there's no MAP for this!

and which, more importantly... 'wont' be on THEIR doorstep!

Ps. so does the above now 'replace' your former 'analysis'?

No.

(the one you shrieked at me for not taking seriously enough heh...)

I never shriek. Just calm logical analysis, the kind of analytical competence your personality can't abide.

### - excuse me?? you went APE on me thang! APE! the analysis was cool
enough but your 'reaction' (which was wrongly placed anyway because you misunderstood me) as you went-off half-cocked and jumped down my throat
was completely unnecessarily heh, was completely over the top!!!
completely! and very violent! you complained that you'd "put a lot of work
into that analysis"! a reversal of your previous position in that now war
was maybe even expected!

and NOW you're BACK to asserting it WONT happen again???

lol make your fucking mind up man!

flip-flopper! :)

Pot. Kettle. Black.

### - i have been consistent in this ALL along thang!

it's YOU who's changed your position: TWICE now???

initially you were 'adamant' that it would NEVER happen! then you did a
180 and your 'anal-ysis' proved it might happen! (with australia etc as
pawns) - NOW you're back to it WONT happen again???

wtf!?!

and then you come-off with: pot - kettle - black in response when i
accuse you of repeatedly changing your mind?! not to mention "NO" when i suggest it's a reversal??

are you even... rational? :)

(slider thumps on the bar!) barkeep! gimme some of whatever THIS cunt's
been smoking!

:D

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