• Almost 20MILLION people in Britain could be infected with the deadly co

    From slider@1:229/2 to All on Saturday, March 14, 2020 20:20:55
    From: slider@atashram.com

    Almost 20million people in Britain could have been infected with the
    deadly coronavirus by the time the outbreak peaks in the summer unless
    stricter actions are taken, according to estimates, after the cases in the
    UK today soared to 1,140, with 21 dead.

    The Government's chief scientific adviser stoked fear across the country
    on Thursday after predicting the spiralling crisis, which they claimed may
    have already infected up to 10,000 people in Britain, won't peak for
    another 10-14 weeks.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8108773/Almost-20MILLION-people-Britain-infected-summer.html

    And by this time, one infectious disease expert warned that based on
    current trends between 20 and 30 per cent of Britain – home to 66.4million people – could have been struck down by the virus.

    Professor Francois Balloux, an infectious diseases specialist and epidemiologist at University College London, told MailOnline: 'In the
    absence of intervention, I would expect between 20 to 30 per cent of the population will be infected by the summer.'

    However, in the US, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)
    has projected in a worst-case scenario that up to 65 per cent of Americans could be infected.

    What is unclear is how many deaths that would mean. Officially the virus
    has a 3pc global mortality rate but that is likely to be an over-estimate because so many cases are so mild they are not reported or even noticed by
    the sufferer.

    England's chief medical officer, Chris Whitty, said even the death of one
    per cent would be an overestimate.

    Government ministers are now preparing to introduce emergency legislation
    early next week which will see the cancellation of all mass gatherings and sports events.

    These measures could make the toll of coronavirus cases five times lower,
    based on figures from the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic.

    As the number of coronavirus cases in the UK passed 1,000 and the death
    toll doubled overnight, it also emerged that officials are talking to businesses about ways to help millions work from home.

    The cranking up of the government's response will see police handed the
    powers to detain suspected virus victims 'for a limited period' if
    necessary to stop them spreading infection.

    Boris Johnson's U-turn last night came after he flatly refused on Thursday
    to replicate the stronger action being taken by other countries to curb
    big gatherings.

    Two ex-Tory ministers yesterday tore apart Prime Minister Boris Johnson's 'risky' decision not to lockdown Britain and shut down schools as well as
    ban mass gatherings to tackle the coronavirus 'national emergency'.

    Several countries across Europe, including France, Belgium, Portugal,
    Denmark and Germany, already took the drastic measures to contain an
    outbreak. Ireland, which has seen almost nine times fewer cases than the
    UK, made a similar decision.

    Professor Balloux said Number 10's decision was a 'gamble'.

    He said: 'It could be a wonderful success and, in a few years' time,
    people will say they are the cleverest people on earth for saving so many
    lives in the UK and everyone else got it wrong, or not.'

    In a stark warning about Britain's impending crisis – which officials have said would peak in summer, he admitted the virus 'will be with us for a
    while'.

    The UK's chief scientific adviser yesterday revealed that around 40million people could be left to catch the coronavirus as part of a controversial Government plan for the country to develop herd immunity.

    Sir Patrick Vallance said around 60 per cent of the population will need
    to catch the virus to build up a national tolerance strong enough to stop
    the virus circulating, which could overwhelm already swamped NHS hospitals.

    Despite the ban on large gatherings, Education Secretary Gavin Williamson
    said schools would remain open to avoid parents having to take time off
    work and assured he was 'particularly mindful' of the strains being lumped
    on the NHS.

    Such pressure was laid bare last night when it emerged hospitals could
    stop treating the most severely ill coronavirus victims if the outbreak escalates.

    *Patients with a poor prognosis may even be taken off ventilators in
    favour of those with better survival chances.* [yak!]

    One of the CDC's leading epidemiologists presented four scenarios - named
    A, B, C and D - to show possible ways the virus could spread throughout
    the US population.

    In the four different scenarios, each person who is diagnosed with
    coronavirus is assumed to infect two to three people; the hospitalisation
    rate is either three percent or 12 percent; and either 0.25 percent or one percent of all infected people die.

    In the worst-case scenario, as many as 21 million people would be
    hospitalised and up to 1.7million people would die.

    When declaring the crisis a pandemic earlier this week, the WHO blamed 'alarming levels of inaction' by governments across the planet for fueling
    the crisis.

    Former Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt yesterday revealed he is 'surprised
    and concerned' and former Tory MP Rory Stewart called the PM's plans to
    allow millions to be infected 'pessimistic' and 'defeatist'.

    Mr Stewart, who led the UK's effort to fight Ebola in Africa in 2019,
    said: 'I think we can be very tough, and clear, [with the British public].
    This is the worst pandemic we have had for 100 years.

    'The Government's approach is essentially defeatist. They are saying we
    cannot suppress this.

    'They say there is no point in spending a huge amount of money trying to suppress this, instead they are trying to manage the increase. We are
    taking far too much risk.

    'I think that is a dangerous thing to do. I don't think if we allow this
    to spread it can be managed in that way.

    'And when you start getting serious numbers of people dying and the
    terrible choices that have to be made in hospitals, people will think that paying the cost early, now, was the right thing to do.'

    However, Downing Street hit back and said 'we are very clear where we take
    our advice from' – pointing to the contributions made by the Chief Medical Officer and the government's Chief Scientific Adviser.

    But Mr Stewart, who is running to be the next Mayor of London as an independent, added: 'I'm absolutely confident that acting early is the
    better option. I would be shutting all schools and banning all gatherings immediately.

    'I think it is too pessimistic and defeatist and we should be taking the approach seen in China and South Korea that have actually reduced the
    number of cases. It can be done. It requires very tough and extreme
    measures.

    'The Government questions whether the public is up for the kind of
    measures we have seen in other countries. I disagree, I believe the
    British public will do what others have done.'

    ### - quote: "They say there is no point in spending a huge amount of
    money trying to suppress this, instead they are trying to manage the
    increase. We are taking far too much risk."??

    lol what a pile of shite our government is! we'll save money by letting
    people die!!!

    but which sounds just about riiiiight for any right-wing government since hitler huh...

    lol even trumpy ain't 'that' bad??

    (and that's sayin' something!) :D

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to All on Saturday, March 14, 2020 20:43:58
    From: slider@atashram.com

    Hundreds of scientists have written to the government urging them to
    introduce tougher measures to tackle the spread of Covid-19.

    In an open letter, a group of 229 scientists from UK universities say the government's current approach will put the NHS under additional stress and "risk many more lives than necessary".

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-51892402

    The signatories also criticised comments made by Sir Patrick Vallance, the government's chief scientific adviser, about managing the spread of the infection to make the population immune.

    The scientists also questioned the government's view that people will
    become fed up with restrictions if they were imposed too soon.

    The letter was published on the day it was announced 10 more people in the
    UK have died after testing positive for coronavirus, bringing the total
    number of deaths to 21.

    Downing Street said the "next planned interventions" would be put in place
    soon "as the epidemic progresses".

    Sir Patrick and the UK's chief medical adviser, Prof Chris Whitty, say
    they will soon publish the computer models on which their strategy is based

    The UK's approach to coping with the coronavirus pandemic has been in
    stark contrast to other countries. The whole of Italy has been on lockdown since Tuesday, while Poland is set to close its borders for two weeks.

    On Saturday the French government ordered the closure of all non-essential public locations from midnight (23:00 GMT Saturday).

    And Spain is poised to declare a 15-day national lockdown on Monday to
    battle the virus,
    Measures 'insufficient'

    In the open letter the group of scientists argue that stronger "social distancing measures" would "dramatically" slow the rate of growth of the disease in the UK, and would spare "thousands of lives".

    The group said the current measures are "insufficient" and "additional and
    more restrictive measures should be taken immediately", as is happening in other countries.

    On Friday, Sir Patrick suggested managing the spread of the disease so
    that the population gains some immunity to the disease was a part of the government strategy.

    This idea, known as "herd immunity", means at-risk individuals are
    protected from infection because they are surrounded by people who are resistant to the disease.

    Rough estimates indicate that herd immunity to Covid-19 would be reached
    when approximately 60% of the population has had the disease.

    But in the open letter, the scientists said: "Going for 'herd immunity' at
    this point does not seem a viable option."

    'Laissez-faire attitude'

    The major downside of herd immunity, according to Birmingham University's
    Prof Willem van Schaik, is that this will mean that in the UK alone at
    least 36 million people will need to be infected and recover.

    "It is almost impossible to predict what that will mean in terms of human costs, but we are conservatively looking at tens of thousands of deaths,
    and possibly at hundreds of thousands of deaths," he said.

    "The only way to make this work would be to spread out these millions of
    cases over a relatively long period of time so that the NHS does not get overwhelmed."

    Prof van Schaik noted that the UK is the only country in Europe that is following what he described as its "laissez-faire attitude to the virus".

    In a separate letter to the government, more than 200 behavioural
    scientists have questioned the government's argument that starting tougher measures too soon would lead to people not sticking to them just at the
    point that the epidemic is at its height.

    "While we fully support an evidence-based approach to policy that draws on behavioural science, we are not convinced that enough is known about 'behavioural fatigue' or to what extent these insights apply to the
    current exceptional circumstances," the letter said.

    "Such evidence is necessary if we are to base a high-risk public health strategy on it."

    "In fact, it seems likely that even those essential behaviour changes that
    are presently required (e.g., handwashing) will receive far greater uptake
    the more urgent the situation is perceived to be. Carrying on as normal
    for as long as possible undercuts that urgency," it added.

    The scientists said "radical behaviour change" could have a "much better" effect and could "save very large numbers of lives".

    "Experience in China and South Korea is sufficiently encouraging to
    suggest that this possibility should at least be attempted," it added.

    The second letter called on the government to reconsider its stance on "behavioural fatigue" and to share the evidence on which it based this
    stance.

    ### - against the best scientific advice they're actually planning to
    allow 'everyone' here to get it so things wont be so bad... several years
    from now??

    callous lying cunts!

    (they should tell the truth: that's *their* plan is only about saving
    money, not people!)

    lol there could be a revolution here in a minute! (the 'real' reason
    they're banning public gatherings in advance here perhaps?) when it
    finally sinks-in to all these moron-minds in the uk that we're now being DELIBERATELY exposed to it here???

    fuck me, plus what a way to save money!

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  • From thang ornerythinchus@1:229/2 to All on Sunday, March 15, 2020 09:42:26
    From: thangolossus@gmail.com

    On Sat, 14 Mar 2020 20:20:55 -0000, slider <slider@atashram.com>
    wrote:

    <snip uninformed extraneous running commentary by uneducated twit
    Brian Aherne>

    ### - quote: "They say there is no point in spending a huge amount of
    money trying to suppress this, instead they are trying to manage the >increase. We are taking far too much risk."??

    lol what a pile of shite our government is! we'll save money by letting >people die!!!

    but which sounds just about riiiiight for any right-wing government since >hitler huh...

    lol even trumpy ain't 'that' bad??

    (and that's sayin' something!) :D

    Trump's a pre-senile goat who hasn't a fuck on what to do in the face
    of real catastrophe. The ignorant mid-west farmers and rednecks who
    somehow got the prick into the hallowed halls of POTUS wills start
    dying in hordes when this thing gathers speed.

    From your voice Brian on your youtube channel and my interpolation of
    what you have told this NG over the years, I imagine you are unfit,
    sedentary, overweight, possibly plagued with some old age health
    issues like diabetes, HBP, thick blood, lack of muscle tissue,
    osteporosis and so on. If I were you, I would be extremely worried
    because at age 66 mate, you are right in the crosshairs of this killer
    virus particle. And you have no one to drop off food etc.

    You will be triaged. You're not important. You will be bulldozed
    into a mass grave if this thing gets going.

    I live in the most isolated city in the world, Perth. It's a city of
    2 million yet we have in the entire state of WA (some 2.7 million
    square km, compare with the entire UK at only 242000 square km) only
    17 cases of the virus. How many have you got in London mate,
    yesterday it was:

    Southwark 28
    Kensington and Chelsea 27
    Lambeth 25
    Westminster 24
    Barnet 23
    Camden 19
    Ealing 18
    Brent 14
    Hackney and City of London 11
    Hounslow 10
    Harrow 10
    Hammersmith and Fulham 10
    Greenwich 10
    Wandsworth 9
    Haringey 9
    Tower Hamlets 8
    Hillingdon 7
    Sutton 6
    Lewisham 6
    Merton 5
    Enfield 5
    Bromley 5
    Bexley 5
    Barking and Dagenham 5
    Islington 3
    Waltham Forest 2
    Richmond upon Thames 2
    Kingston upon Thames 2
    Havering 2
    Redbridge 1

    It seems London is crawling with this shit. Stay indoors. Do NOT
    venture out. This thing might kill you.

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