From: thangolossus@gmail.com

Warning. Personal experience ahead.

A few minutes ago I was responding to something posted by Slider and I
was searching for a word. I write professionally and I have read
since I was a toddler so there is a vast repository of vocabulary down
there somewhere and I was having difficulty.

I felt the word. I was searching for a word that I pictured and felt
to be the temperament of a stolid English gentleman whose conservative
and cool headed approach under pressure would be the envy of any other
race on the planet. I thought of Evelyn Waugh or an English butler,
collected and so very proper under all circumstances.

I knew the characteristics of the word I wanted and what I wanted it
to encapsulate but I didn't know the word itself. This process of visualisation, giving the characteristics of the word a picture and an emotional environment, in order to winnow it out of the chasms of
memory, worked. It was inbued with emotion and feeling as well - in
this case, an English butler type faced with some catastrophe who
responds to it with stiff upper lip and total cool headedness.

After this, which lasted about 30 seconds, the word emerged
(restrained). The point is not the word but the the fact that the
process, which I'm sure is a process undergone by anyone who writes
and who cares about how they write, involves the entire brain -
billions of synapses visualising, emoting, searching, analysing,
sorting, processing, self-reviewing - all simultaneously. It will be
a long, long time - if ever- before we can even approach this type of
parallel analogue processing which is so fundamental to our
intelligence.

"No one can compel me ...to be happy after his fashion; instead,
every person may seek happiness in the way that seems best to him,
if only he does not violate the freedom of others to strive toward
such similar ends as are compatible with everyone’s freedom under
a possible universal law (i.e., this right of others)."

Immanuel Kant - "On the Proverb: That May be True in Theory,
But Is Of No Practical Use"

---
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: www.darkrealms.ca (1:229/2)

From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

On Saturday, September 30, 2017 at 7:38:59 PM UTC-7, thang ornerythinchus wrote:

Warning. Personal experience ahead.

A few minutes ago I was responding to something posted by Slider and I
was searching for a word. I write professionally and I have read
since I was a toddler so there is a vast repository of vocabulary down
there somewhere and I was having difficulty.

I felt the word. I was searching for a word that I pictured and felt
to be the temperament of a stolid English gentleman whose conservative
and cool headed approach under pressure would be the envy of any other
race on the planet. I thought of Evelyn Waugh or an English butler, collected and so very proper under all circumstances.

I knew the characteristics of the word I wanted and what I wanted it
to encapsulate but I didn't know the word itself. This process of visualisation, giving the characteristics of the word a picture and an emotional environment, in order to winnow it out of the chasms of
memory, worked. It was inbued with emotion and feeling as well - in
this case, an English butler type faced with some catastrophe who
responds to it with stiff upper lip and total cool headedness.

After this, which lasted about 30 seconds, the word emerged
(restrained). The point is not the word but the the fact that the
process, which I'm sure is a process undergone by anyone who writes
and who cares about how they write, involves the entire brain -
billions of synapses visualising, emoting, searching, analysing,
sorting, processing, self-reviewing - all simultaneously. It will be
a long, long time - if ever- before we can even approach this type of parallel analogue processing which is so fundamental to our
intelligence.

Very interesting. I think it depends on how we define "true AI".
And I think the most problematic word in your list above is "emoting".

"No one can compel me ...to be happy after his fashion; instead,
every person may seek happiness in the way that seems best to him,
if only he does not violate the freedom of others to strive toward
such similar ends as are compatible with everyone’s freedom under
a possible universal law (i.e., this right of others)."

Immanuel Kant - "On the Proverb: That May be True in Theory,
But Is Of No Practical Use"

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: www.darkrealms.ca (1:229/2)

From: thangolossus@gmail.com

On Sun, 1 Oct 2017 13:18:14 -0700 (PDT), "Jeremy H. Denisovan" <david.j.worrell@gmail.com> wrote:

On Saturday, September 30, 2017 at 7:38:59 PM UTC-7, thang ornerythinchus wrote:

Warning. Personal experience ahead.

A few minutes ago I was responding to something posted by Slider and I
was searching for a word. I write professionally and I have read
since I was a toddler so there is a vast repository of vocabulary down
there somewhere and I was having difficulty.

I felt the word. I was searching for a word that I pictured and felt
to be the temperament of a stolid English gentleman whose conservative
and cool headed approach under pressure would be the envy of any other
race on the planet. I thought of Evelyn Waugh or an English butler,
collected and so very proper under all circumstances.

I knew the characteristics of the word I wanted and what I wanted it
to encapsulate but I didn't know the word itself. This process of
visualisation, giving the characteristics of the word a picture and an
emotional environment, in order to winnow it out of the chasms of
memory, worked. It was inbued with emotion and feeling as well - in
this case, an English butler type faced with some catastrophe who
responds to it with stiff upper lip and total cool headedness.

After this, which lasted about 30 seconds, the word emerged
(restrained). The point is not the word but the the fact that the
process, which I'm sure is a process undergone by anyone who writes
and who cares about how they write, involves the entire brain -
billions of synapses visualising, emoting, searching, analysing,
sorting, processing, self-reviewing - all simultaneously. It will be
a long, long time - if ever- before we can even approach this type of
parallel analogue processing which is so fundamental to our
intelligence.

Very interesting. I think it depends on how we define "true AI".
And I think the most problematic word in your list above is "emoting".

Rationalists would try to break down emoting into chemical reactions,
survival adaptations and so on. I think it's a whole different
ballgame and agree with your observation. I think it's part of our
deal which the universe has given us - part of the package of
consciosness and to date, wholly inexplicable.

I love being an emotional being - certain things do bring a tear to
this jaded old eye, and sometimes the emotion is truly indescribable,
part of an infinite spectrum.

"No one can compel me ...to be happy after his fashion; instead,
every person may seek happiness in the way that seems best to him,
if only he does not violate the freedom of others to strive toward
such similar ends as are compatible with everyone’s freedom under
a possible universal law (i.e., this right of others)."

Immanuel Kant - "On the Proverb: That May be True in Theory,
But Is Of No Practical Use"

---
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: www.darkrealms.ca (1:229/2)