• Sorry Brian, Trump ain't gonna start a war

    From thang ornerythinchus@1:229/2 to All on Saturday, September 30, 2017 22:31:18
    From: thangolossus@gmail.com

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tillerson-says-trump-has-issued-no-red-lines-on-north-korea/

    I realise how disappointing this must be for you Brian :)

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to thangolossus@gmail.com on Saturday, September 30, 2017 16:19:21
    From: slider@nanashram.com

    On Sat, 30 Sep 2017 15:31:18 +0100, thang ornerythinchus <thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:


    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tillerson-says-trump-has-issued-no-red-lines-on-north-korea/

    I realise how disappointing this must be for you Brian :)

    ### - well at least you're learning to spell my name correctly? heh + lol you're as bad as jeremy? (a poor example of an intellectual hah:)

    coz this isn't about ME even though you keep trying to make it so??

    that basically, when your own argument fails (to impress or whatever) you resort to invective and/or derogatory remarks thus losing the debate by default? tacitly admitting defeat! (i.e., first one to 'actually' make it personal loses! - their objectivity's lapsed! they've lost it!)

    we can argue/debate till the cows come home and it shouldn't make any difference?

    that, in the final analysis, we can always agree to differ rather than
    making it personal

    (i don't mind a joke/ribbing etc if it's all in good humour, but is
    ridiculous if/when used solely to win a debate with lol...)

    i mean; gimmie some OTHER *95%-incomplete* theory that you 'equally'
    worship as verbatim gospel and would equally defend to the death, and i'll
    eat my words? ;)

    can't do it can ya! :)

    no one in their right mind would even attempt such a thing! :)

    (slider singing in ref. to the standard model: there's a hole in my
    bucket, dear liza? dear liza?)

    :)

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  • From thang ornerythinchus@1:229/2 to All on Sunday, October 01, 2017 09:28:57
    From: thangolossus@gmail.com

    On Sat, 30 Sep 2017 16:19:21 +0100, slider <slider@nanashram.com>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 30 Sep 2017 15:31:18 +0100, thang ornerythinchus ><thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:


    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tillerson-says-trump-has-issued-no-red-lines-on-north-korea/

    I realise how disappointing this must be for you Brian :)

    ### - well at least you're learning to spell my name correctly? heh + lol >you're as bad as jeremy? (a poor example of an intellectual hah:)

    You chump :) The "misspelling" was intentional! "Brain" in lieu of
    "Brian" - you really think I make mistakes like that? I'm a well paid
    pro mate, I don't make mistakes like that.

    I was being sarcastic...learn to recognise it.


    coz this isn't about ME even though you keep trying to make it so??

    But it is. You refuse to accept other positions than your own. This
    is probably the single most important factor which has led you to the
    point you're at now. Many of your arguments and hypotheses are total
    rubbish yet, when pointed out in a logical and persuasive manner, you
    back into your corner and refuse to accept reality and reason. This
    is undoubtedly what riles Dave the most about you. At least with me
    he can reason - there's no chance of that with you.


    that basically, when your own argument fails (to impress or whatever) you >resort to invective and/or derogatory remarks thus losing the debate by >default? tacitly admitting defeat! (i.e., first one to 'actually' make it >personal loses! - their objectivity's lapsed! they've lost it!)

    My arguments don't "fail to impress" because that was never the
    intention. My meanderings about fine tuning for instance are wholly
    derived from works by learned people who would leave you in the dust intellectually and educationally. I was trying then simply to distill
    the essence of this very contemporary point of view which is being
    taken up by literally thousands of scientists and millions of
    laypersons such as myself, as a favour to those who inhabit this
    depleted place.

    You, sir, took it as some sort of challenge to your impoverished world
    view and responded like some sort of misled, under-educated viper,
    striking out willy nilly, blindly and foolishly. I think that you
    don't have the mental apparatus for these concepts even though they're
    not very advanced - no calculus or algebra involved, just really basic arithmetic and words arranged in typical logical format. I was
    throwing pearls in front of pigs...


    we can argue/debate till the cows come home and it shouldn't make any >difference?

    That's a problem Brian. You don't debate. You don't know the meaning
    of the word. You simply bluster. And you bluster badly at that.
    Fact.


    that, in the final analysis, we can always agree to differ rather than
    making it personal

    Why should one 'always differ' if there is only one fact - surely both
    sides must agree on a fucking FACT? Or, if the argument is patently
    correct, why must one 'always differ'?

    If you put an argument together about anything, and it's intelligible
    (eg you use proper sentences, no slash marks, punctuation etc), then I
    will be the first to agree. I haven't seen one from you yet. Attempt
    it, Brian, become a better person, prove you have the intellectual
    apparatus to THINK SOMETHING THROUGH! And then the patience to put it succinctly into writing in a traditional way - premises, argument,
    conclusion.

    (i don't mind a joke/ribbing etc if it's all in good humour, but is >ridiculous if/when used solely to win a debate with lol...)

    No, you're being stupid again. I put cogent arguments which try to
    synthesise facts into conclusions which have interest, generally about
    esoteric things arising from our increasing knowledge of the universe
    (nature) and ourselves. Then, you usually come back with uneducated
    rubbish which has only tangential relationship to what I've put
    together and usually including personal attacks and attacks in general
    based on your nebulous "wally world". You attack things because they
    are put here either by myself or (less so) by Dave (I think Dave has
    given up on you) - you attack the man, not the ball.

    I don't need to win debates because (a) I don't generally put things
    here to debate, I've already formed a view based on science and there
    isn't anything to debate - I'm putting it here to educate and assist,
    assuming those I'm putting it here for are willing and worthy; and (b)
    you don't debate because you don't have the self discipline to debate.


    i mean; gimmie some OTHER *95%-incomplete* theory that you 'equally'
    worship as verbatim gospel and would equally defend to the death, and i'll >eat my words? ;)

    See, that's your typical nonsense. Quantum mechanics is one of the
    most complete theories ever developed. It's completely counter
    intuitive but it has passed every experimental attempt to tear it
    down. Similarly, empircal particle physics has proven the standard
    model even though we know it's incomplete. The complete parts pass
    muster mate - everything I said about fundamental particles is correct
    right down to their resting masses and up to the Planck mass, which is
    one million billion times more energy than that available to the Light
    Hadron Collider (the energy available if the mass in two flea eggs
    were totally converted to energy). Now, there's plenty to argue with
    there Brian, have at ye, ye varlet :)


    can't do it can ya! :)

    Can't do what? You're so vague (was "You're so vain")...

    no one in their right mind would even attempt such a thing! :)

    Attempt what? I wasn't proselytyzing the standard model, I was
    pointing out certain examples of "what could be" in terms of variable
    values and constants which leads THINKING persons to the conclusion
    that there is either a multiverse or there is a mechanism which has
    designed this universe for chemistry and life.

    You are completely unable to see that, aren't you? Poor bugger.


    "If the quark masses,or the basic forces, or the cosmological constant
    had been much different, the Universe would have been a sterile wasteland.
    It seems that the only reactions are either to embrace a multiverse
    or a designer."

    Tim Maudlin, New York University

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  • From Jeremy H. Denisovan@1:229/2 to slider on Sunday, October 01, 2017 12:58:02
    From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

    On Saturday, September 30, 2017 at 8:19:25 AM UTC-7, slider wrote:
    On Sat, 30 Sep 2017 15:31:18 +0100, thang ornerythinchus <thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:


    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tillerson-says-trump-has-issued-no-red-lines-on-north-korea/

    I realise how disappointing this must be for you Brian :)

    ### - well at least you're learning to spell my name correctly? heh + lol you're as bad as jeremy? (a poor example of an intellectual hah:)

    coz this isn't about ME even though you keep trying to make it so??

    Was that a joke? Or did you actually not see the absurd hypocrisy? :)

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to david.j.worrell@gmail.com on Sunday, October 01, 2017 22:24:11
    From: slider@nanashram.com

    On Sun, 01 Oct 2017 20:58:02 +0100, Jeremy H. Denisovan <david.j.worrell@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, September 30, 2017 at 8:19:25 AM UTC-7, slider wrote:
    On Sat, 30 Sep 2017 15:31:18 +0100, thang ornerythinchus
    <thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:



    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tillerson-says-trump-has-issued-no-red-lines-on-north-korea/

    I realise how disappointing this must be for you Brian :)

    ### - well at least you're learning to spell my name correctly? heh +
    lol
    you're as bad as jeremy? (a poor example of an intellectual hah:)

    coz this isn't about ME even though you keep trying to make it so??

    Was that a joke? Or did you actually not see the absurd hypocrisy? :)

    ### - sheesh what ARE you going-on about now?? :)

    thang has it that i WANT all this to occur??

    that i'm 'loving' it and reveling in it??? it's his answer for everything!

    and you're the same! (albeit not about that particular subject so much...)

    that thang IS as bad as you when it comes to trying to make ME part/cause
    of something HE doesn't like!

    i mean, if you 'disagree' with someone's pov and/or their opinion, for 'whatever' reason, then by all means argue your points/convictions intellectually, even brilliantly if you can! but to descend into character assassination instead of sticking to the point is not only crass but is
    also really quite dumb!

    idiots even did something similar with darwin? they didn't like his ideas
    (or were offended by them) so they ridiculed HIM! as if THAT'S got
    anything to do with it!?!

    and because THIS is what 'unthinking' idiots DO! (are actually forced to
    do because they have no actual answer but still can't let it go/can't
    accept it; so they get all shitty about it?? lol)

    ridicule & scorn is NOT the way!

    and those that avail themselves of same are obviously lacking in
    intelligence!

    only an arsehole slings mud! and only 'reveal' themselves to BE one by
    doing so!

    that it's only by dint of having to 'deal' with such arseholes that i've
    become a master of hoo-flung-dung! (laughing, because that's what it (HFD) directly refers to! dealing with petty assholes on their own level hah!)

    that to 'deliberately' prevaricate an argument 'away' from what they 'apparently' have no further reply to/for into attacking the person them
    self, is actually quite pathetic?

    i mean, what a way to win an argument LOL! - plus talk about sour grapes??
    :)))

    and is, i guess, FINE for kiddies' chatrooms or whatever (because that's
    about the level it's at...) but has absolutely no place in any serious conversation and/or exchange of ideas!

    i.e., you'll NEVER defeat any argument of mine THAT way, and will only
    make yourself look like an arsehole into the bargain if you try!

    in fact, armed with hfd; i'm make jolly sure you DO look like one! ;)

    (because it's easy for me + am pretty good at it hehehe...)

    cheezy grinz... :D

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  • From Jeremy H. Denisovan@1:229/2 to slider on Monday, October 02, 2017 08:11:45
    From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

    On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 2:24:17 PM UTC-7, slider wrote:
    On Sun, 01 Oct 2017 20:58:02 +0100, Jeremy H. Denisovan
    wrote:

    On Saturday, September 30, 2017 at 8:19:25 AM UTC-7, slider wrote:
    On Sat, 30 Sep 2017 15:31:18 +0100, thang ornerythinchus
    <thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:



    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tillerson-says-trump-has-issued-no-red-lines-on-north-korea/

    I realise how disappointing this must be for you Brian :)

    ### - well at least you're learning to spell my name correctly? heh +
    lol
    you're as bad as jeremy? (a poor example of an intellectual hah:)

    coz this isn't about ME even though you keep trying to make it so??

    Was that a joke? Or did you actually not see the absurd hypocrisy? :)

    ### - sheesh what ARE you going-on about now?? :)

    thang has it that i WANT all this to occur??

    that i'm 'loving' it and reveling in it??? it's his answer for everything!

    and you're the same! (albeit not about that particular subject so much...)

    that thang IS as bad as you when it comes to trying to make ME part/cause
    of something HE doesn't like!

    i mean, if you 'disagree' with someone's pov and/or their opinion, for 'whatever' reason, then by all means argue your points/convictions intellectually, even brilliantly if you can! but to descend into character assassination instead of sticking to the point is not only crass but is
    also really quite dumb!

    idiots even did something similar with darwin? they didn't like his ideas
    (or were offended by them) so they ridiculed HIM! as if THAT'S got
    anything to do with it!?!

    and because THIS is what 'unthinking' idiots DO! (are actually forced to
    do because they have no actual answer but still can't let it go/can't
    accept it; so they get all shitty about it?? lol)

    ridicule & scorn is NOT the way!

    and those that avail themselves of same are obviously lacking in intelligence!

    only an arsehole slings mud! and only 'reveal' themselves to BE one by
    doing so!

    that it's only by dint of having to 'deal' with such arseholes that i've become a master of hoo-flung-dung! (laughing, because that's what it (HFD) directly refers to! dealing with petty assholes on their own level hah!)

    that to 'deliberately' prevaricate an argument 'away' from what they 'apparently' have no further reply to/for into attacking the person them self, is actually quite pathetic?

    i mean, what a way to win an argument LOL! - plus talk about sour grapes?? :)))

    and is, i guess, FINE for kiddies' chatrooms or whatever (because that's about the level it's at...) but has absolutely no place in any serious conversation and/or exchange of ideas!

    i.e., you'll NEVER defeat any argument of mine THAT way, and will only
    make yourself look like an arsehole into the bargain if you try!

    in fact, armed with hfd; i'm make jolly sure you DO look like one! ;)

    (because it's easy for me + am pretty good at it hehehe...)

    cheezy grinz... :D

    So you were actually serious. You tried to drag me into something
    that "isn't about me" (I wasn't even involved), literally in the
    same sentence where you whined that was just done to you. LOL.

    The extent of your hypocrisy is just unbelievable.

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to david.j.worrell@gmail.com on Monday, October 02, 2017 20:32:45
    From: slider@nanashram.com

    On Mon, 02 Oct 2017 16:11:45 +0100, Jeremy H. Denisovan <david.j.worrell@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 2:24:17 PM UTC-7, slider wrote:
    On Sun, 01 Oct 2017 20:58:02 +0100, Jeremy H. Denisovan
    wrote:

    On Saturday, September 30, 2017 at 8:19:25 AM UTC-7, slider wrote:
    On Sat, 30 Sep 2017 15:31:18 +0100, thang ornerythinchus
    <thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:




    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tillerson-says-trump-has-issued-no-red-lines-on-north-korea/

    I realise how disappointing this must be for you Brian :)

    ### - well at least you're learning to spell my name correctly? heh +
    lol
    you're as bad as jeremy? (a poor example of an intellectual hah:)

    coz this isn't about ME even though you keep trying to make it so??

    Was that a joke? Or did you actually not see the absurd hypocrisy? :)

    ### - sheesh what ARE you going-on about now?? :)

    thang has it that i WANT all this to occur??

    that i'm 'loving' it and reveling in it??? it's his answer for
    everything!

    and you're the same! (albeit not about that particular subject so
    much...)

    that thang IS as bad as you when it comes to trying to make ME
    part/cause
    of something HE doesn't like!

    i mean, if you 'disagree' with someone's pov and/or their opinion, for
    'whatever' reason, then by all means argue your points/convictions
    intellectually, even brilliantly if you can! but to descend into
    character
    assassination instead of sticking to the point is not only crass but is
    also really quite dumb!

    idiots even did something similar with darwin? they didn't like his
    ideas
    (or were offended by them) so they ridiculed HIM! as if THAT'S got
    anything to do with it!?!

    and because THIS is what 'unthinking' idiots DO! (are actually forced to
    do because they have no actual answer but still can't let it go/can't
    accept it; so they get all shitty about it?? lol)

    ridicule & scorn is NOT the way!

    and those that avail themselves of same are obviously lacking in
    intelligence!

    only an arsehole slings mud! and only 'reveal' themselves to BE one by
    doing so!

    that it's only by dint of having to 'deal' with such arseholes that i've
    become a master of hoo-flung-dung! (laughing, because that's what it
    (HFD)
    directly refers to! dealing with petty assholes on their own level hah!)

    that to 'deliberately' prevaricate an argument 'away' from what they
    'apparently' have no further reply to/for into attacking the person them
    self, is actually quite pathetic?

    i mean, what a way to win an argument LOL! - plus talk about sour
    grapes??
    :)))

    and is, i guess, FINE for kiddies' chatrooms or whatever (because that's
    about the level it's at...) but has absolutely no place in any serious
    conversation and/or exchange of ideas!

    i.e., you'll NEVER defeat any argument of mine THAT way, and will only
    make yourself look like an arsehole into the bargain if you try!

    in fact, armed with hfd; i'm make jolly sure you DO look like one! ;)

    (because it's easy for me + am pretty good at it hehehe...)

    cheezy grinz... :D

    So you were actually serious. You tried to drag me into something
    that "isn't about me" (I wasn't even involved), literally in the
    same sentence where you whined that was just done to you. LOL.

    The extent of your hypocrisy is just unbelievable.

    ### - lol the ONLY 'hypocrite' around here is YOU jeremy! :)

    plus wasn't AT ALL dragging you into something, merely commenting to thang
    that thang IS as bad AS you when it comes to quickly descending into
    invective at the drop of a hat! no 'dragging' there, no invitation even!
    merely a statement of 'well established' fact! (was putting thang down for being 'like' you in certain things, and was actually trying to head him
    off from doing so...)

    so learn to fucking read can't ya??

    and get rid of that persecution complex too!

    coz when you inquired i even said: 'not so much on THIS subject' thus
    proving you weren't being dragged into anything!

    unless, of course, you now 'deny' ever doing shit like that??

    riiiight... :)

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  • From Jeremy H. Denisovan@1:229/2 to slider on Monday, October 02, 2017 13:58:18
    From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

    On Monday, October 2, 2017 at 12:32:52 PM UTC-7, slider wrote:
    On Mon, 02 Oct 2017 16:11:45 +0100, Jeremy H. Denisovan
    wrote:

    On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 2:24:17 PM UTC-7, slider wrote:
    On Sun, 01 Oct 2017 20:58:02 +0100, Jeremy H. Denisovan
    wrote:

    On Saturday, September 30, 2017 at 8:19:25 AM UTC-7, slider wrote:
    On Sat, 30 Sep 2017 15:31:18 +0100, thang ornerythinchus
    <thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:




    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tillerson-says-trump-has-issued-no-red-lines-on-north-korea/

    I realise how disappointing this must be for you Brian :)

    ### - well at least you're learning to spell my name correctly? heh + >> >> lol
    you're as bad as jeremy? (a poor example of an intellectual hah:)

    coz this isn't about ME even though you keep trying to make it so??

    Was that a joke? Or did you actually not see the absurd hypocrisy? :)

    ### - sheesh what ARE you going-on about now?? :)

    thang has it that i WANT all this to occur??

    that i'm 'loving' it and reveling in it??? it's his answer for
    everything!

    and you're the same! (albeit not about that particular subject so
    much...)

    that thang IS as bad as you when it comes to trying to make ME
    part/cause
    of something HE doesn't like!

    i mean, if you 'disagree' with someone's pov and/or their opinion, for
    'whatever' reason, then by all means argue your points/convictions
    intellectually, even brilliantly if you can! but to descend into
    character
    assassination instead of sticking to the point is not only crass but is
    also really quite dumb!

    idiots even did something similar with darwin? they didn't like his
    ideas
    (or were offended by them) so they ridiculed HIM! as if THAT'S got
    anything to do with it!?!

    and because THIS is what 'unthinking' idiots DO! (are actually forced to >> do because they have no actual answer but still can't let it go/can't
    accept it; so they get all shitty about it?? lol)

    ridicule & scorn is NOT the way!

    and those that avail themselves of same are obviously lacking in
    intelligence!

    only an arsehole slings mud! and only 'reveal' themselves to BE one by
    doing so!

    that it's only by dint of having to 'deal' with such arseholes that i've >> become a master of hoo-flung-dung! (laughing, because that's what it
    (HFD)
    directly refers to! dealing with petty assholes on their own level hah!) >>
    that to 'deliberately' prevaricate an argument 'away' from what they
    'apparently' have no further reply to/for into attacking the person them >> self, is actually quite pathetic?

    i mean, what a way to win an argument LOL! - plus talk about sour
    grapes??
    :)))

    and is, i guess, FINE for kiddies' chatrooms or whatever (because that's >> about the level it's at...) but has absolutely no place in any serious
    conversation and/or exchange of ideas!

    i.e., you'll NEVER defeat any argument of mine THAT way, and will only
    make yourself look like an arsehole into the bargain if you try!

    in fact, armed with hfd; i'm make jolly sure you DO look like one! ;)

    (because it's easy for me + am pretty good at it hehehe...)

    cheezy grinz... :D

    So you were actually serious. You tried to drag me into something
    that "isn't about me" (I wasn't even involved), literally in the
    same sentence where you whined that was just done to you. LOL.

    The extent of your hypocrisy is just unbelievable.

    ### - lol the ONLY 'hypocrite' around here is YOU jeremy! :)

    plus wasn't AT ALL dragging you into something, merely commenting to thang that thang IS as bad AS you when it comes to quickly descending into invective at the drop of a hat! no 'dragging' there, no invitation even! merely a statement of 'well established' fact! (was putting thang down for being 'like' you in certain things, and was actually trying to head him
    off from doing so...)

    so learn to fucking read can't ya??

    and get rid of that persecution complex too!

    coz when you inquired i even said: 'not so much on THIS subject' thus
    proving you weren't being dragged into anything!

    unless, of course, you now 'deny' ever doing shit like that??

    riiiight... :)

    Actually, you "descended into invective", and without provocation.
    And you've done that at least 10 times before over the years.

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to david.j.worrell@gmail.com on Monday, October 02, 2017 22:21:58
    From: slider@nanashram.com

    On Mon, 02 Oct 2017 21:58:18 +0100, Jeremy H. Denisovan <david.j.worrell@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, October 2, 2017 at 12:32:52 PM UTC-7, slider wrote:
    On Mon, 02 Oct 2017 16:11:45 +0100, Jeremy H. Denisovan
    wrote:

    On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 2:24:17 PM UTC-7, slider wrote:
    On Sun, 01 Oct 2017 20:58:02 +0100, Jeremy H. Denisovan
    wrote:

    On Saturday, September 30, 2017 at 8:19:25 AM UTC-7, slider wrote:
    On Sat, 30 Sep 2017 15:31:18 +0100, thang ornerythinchus
    <thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:





    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tillerson-says-trump-has-issued-no-red-lines-on-north-korea/

    I realise how disappointing this must be for you Brian :)

    ### - well at least you're learning to spell my name correctly?
    heh +
    lol
    you're as bad as jeremy? (a poor example of an intellectual hah:)

    coz this isn't about ME even though you keep trying to make it
    so??

    Was that a joke? Or did you actually not see the absurd hypocrisy?
    :)

    ### - sheesh what ARE you going-on about now?? :)

    thang has it that i WANT all this to occur??

    that i'm 'loving' it and reveling in it??? it's his answer for
    everything!

    and you're the same! (albeit not about that particular subject so
    much...)

    that thang IS as bad as you when it comes to trying to make ME
    part/cause
    of something HE doesn't like!

    i mean, if you 'disagree' with someone's pov and/or their opinion,
    for
    'whatever' reason, then by all means argue your points/convictions
    intellectually, even brilliantly if you can! but to descend into
    character
    assassination instead of sticking to the point is not only crass but
    is
    also really quite dumb!

    idiots even did something similar with darwin? they didn't like his
    ideas
    (or were offended by them) so they ridiculed HIM! as if THAT'S got
    anything to do with it!?!

    and because THIS is what 'unthinking' idiots DO! (are actually
    forced to
    do because they have no actual answer but still can't let it go/can't
    accept it; so they get all shitty about it?? lol)

    ridicule & scorn is NOT the way!

    and those that avail themselves of same are obviously lacking in
    intelligence!

    only an arsehole slings mud! and only 'reveal' themselves to BE one
    by
    doing so!

    that it's only by dint of having to 'deal' with such arseholes that
    i've
    become a master of hoo-flung-dung! (laughing, because that's what it
    (HFD)
    directly refers to! dealing with petty assholes on their own level
    hah!)

    that to 'deliberately' prevaricate an argument 'away' from what they
    'apparently' have no further reply to/for into attacking the person
    them
    self, is actually quite pathetic?

    i mean, what a way to win an argument LOL! - plus talk about sour
    grapes??
    :)))

    and is, i guess, FINE for kiddies' chatrooms or whatever (because
    that's
    about the level it's at...) but has absolutely no place in any
    serious
    conversation and/or exchange of ideas!

    i.e., you'll NEVER defeat any argument of mine THAT way, and will
    only
    make yourself look like an arsehole into the bargain if you try!

    in fact, armed with hfd; i'm make jolly sure you DO look like one! ;)

    (because it's easy for me + am pretty good at it hehehe...)

    cheezy grinz... :D

    So you were actually serious. You tried to drag me into something
    that "isn't about me" (I wasn't even involved), literally in the
    same sentence where you whined that was just done to you. LOL.

    The extent of your hypocrisy is just unbelievable.

    ### - lol the ONLY 'hypocrite' around here is YOU jeremy! :)

    plus wasn't AT ALL dragging you into something, merely commenting to
    thang
    that thang IS as bad AS you when it comes to quickly descending into
    invective at the drop of a hat! no 'dragging' there, no invitation even!
    merely a statement of 'well established' fact! (was putting thang down
    for
    being 'like' you in certain things, and was actually trying to head him
    off from doing so...)

    so learn to fucking read can't ya??

    and get rid of that persecution complex too!

    coz when you inquired i even said: 'not so much on THIS subject' thus
    proving you weren't being dragged into anything!

    unless, of course, you now 'deny' ever doing shit like that??

    riiiight... :)

    Actually, you "descended into invective", and without provocation.
    And you've done that at least 10 times before over the years.

    ### - i may have done! have never claimed to be perfect or anything heh...

    but it's 'usually' only ever in direct 'response' to same! (because am not 'looking' for trouble!) thus i usually confidently claim never starting
    it...

    back to this thread as an after thought though; i opened my initial reply
    to you with a question? (wtf are you going-on about now?? etc) iow, i was surprised at you even responding! again 'proof' that i wasn't attempting
    to drag you into anything or i would have 'expected' a reply??
    accordingly, i just thought you didn't understand and then went to all the trouble of graphically spelling it out for you (i'd merely used your more
    usual behaviour as an object lesson to thang was all... it wasn't an
    invitation to join in, nor an attempt to pull you in...)

    don't be so touchy/jumpy all the time, try smiling/laughing more...

    the devil's not after your tale ALL the time! (pun intended) :)

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  • From Jeremy H. Donovan@1:229/2 to All on Monday, October 02, 2017 17:16:27
    From: jeremyhdonovan@gmail.com

    You're incapable of fully lucid debate.
    Makes me wonder about your LD as well...

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to jeremyhdonovan@gmail.com on Tuesday, October 03, 2017 02:40:59
    From: slider@nanashram.com

    On Tue, 03 Oct 2017 01:16:27 +0100, Jeremy H. Donovan <jeremyhdonovan@gmail.com> wrote:

    You're incapable of fully lucid debate.
    Makes me wonder about your LD as well...

    ### - see? ya just can't 'help' yourself innit!

    the misunderstanding WAS... yours!

    and yet you accuse 'me' of an inability to debate because of it??

    thus YOU'RE the hypocrite! accusing everyone 'else' of the very things YOU
    do!

    duh...

    hah get back to me when you're capable of NOT being a complete asshole??

    which, let's face it jeremy, will probably never happen. :D

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  • From thang ornerythinchus@1:229/2 to david.j.worrell@gmail.com on Friday, October 06, 2017 11:24:06
    From: thangolossus@gmail.com

    On Sun, 1 Oct 2017 12:58:02 -0700 (PDT), "Jeremy H. Denisovan" <david.j.worrell@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, September 30, 2017 at 8:19:25 AM UTC-7, slider wrote:
    On Sat, 30 Sep 2017 15:31:18 +0100, thang ornerythinchus
    <thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:


    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tillerson-says-trump-has-issued-no-red-lines-on-north-korea/

    I realise how disappointing this must be for you Brian :)

    ### - well at least you're learning to spell my name correctly? heh + lol
    you're as bad as jeremy? (a poor example of an intellectual hah:)

    coz this isn't about ME even though you keep trying to make it so??

    Was that a joke? Or did you actually not see the absurd hypocrisy? :)

    And my intentional "mis-spelling" of his name as "Brain"...

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