From: intraphase@gmail.com

SPECIAL THREAD
JEREMY CHRIST & MOTHER EARTH
~v~
LOWRIDER SATAN & THE RED LIGHTS

[]

A SPECIAL BUS / 4 SPECIAL PEOPLE.
A bit of housecleaning to keep Jer's & my ravings in one file

[]


https://youtu.be/u7JkgwDnDYc
LIKE A STORM - Wish You Hell

Previously...

======================================================

Jeremy Spaketh Thusly

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[]

On Saturday, August 25, 2018 at 9:23:40 PM UTC-7, LowRider44M wrote:
: On Thursday, August 23, 2018 at 3:24:38 PM UTC-4, Jeremy H. Denisovan wrote: : : Here again I find myself talking to an 'oracle' -
: : one who knows-all-sees-all. And that's really not acceptable.
:
: I have a small body of measuring tools.
: To know all presupposes that all has intrinsic value.
: I know what is required and necessary exactly when I do.
:
: :
: : You've claimed to see the future to the minute of your death
: : in 2048.
:
: Exactly, a navigational point that I shall or shall not reach.
: Depending on if I cooperate with the sequential progressions that
: lead to that navigational way point.

Or, maybe you don't really have any better idea of when and how
you'll die than anyone else does.


: You've claimed you talked to Jesus.
:
: Four billion people have talked to Jesus including you long ago.

Four billion pretend to. And they teach children to, before they're
even old enough to know better or protect themselves. But you seemed
to be claiming it was a 'two-way conversation'? :)

GLENDOWER: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
HOTSPUR: Why, so can I, or so can any man.
But will they come when you do call for them?


: : and that you have
: : programmed God ("like an AI").
:
: Your God is you.
: My God is me.

I *don't* think I'm God or that "my God is me", or that "I program
God". Neither. None of the above. Again, you have confirmed that
in some way you do. But if you're using 'God' in some completely
different sense than most people do, then I don't know how far we're
going to get.


: Your the most religious person I have ever known.
: You were a Christian, a Scientologist and a Warrior-Sorcerer.
: I was never a religious person ever, I studied religion to understand others.

So did I. I was also briefly a Buddhist. But looking back, most of
those were more 'explorations' than firmly adopted convictions.
The only one of those paths I ever strongly believed for a time
was "warrior-sorcerer" and it's debatable whether that's even a
"religion", although for all practical purposes I'd call it one.
So that's really just ONE. And that belief ended 20 years ago.

Christian doesn't 'count' since it was childhood indoctrination
I'd abandoned by adolescence, and similarly, I rejected both
Buddhism and Scientology after less than a year of formal adoption
each. I also studied Hinduism, Taoism, Sikhism, and several others
in a fair amount of depth along the way.

Now I'm not religious at all.

You, otoh, have within the last year been quoting several tenets
of ancient Christian literature here as if it's part of your beliefs.
We may be quibbling over the meaning of "religious". But no, I'm not.


: :A couple of times now you've
: : pronounced that the human race is doomed.
:
: That is a scientific, mathematical certainty.

Then you should be able to provide the scientific evidence of it.
Please do. :)


: : (Naturally, Slider must love that. :) )
: :
:
: Asking about your Mom and the light in the forest was unfair.
: It was like climbing into someone's attic and giving their crazy
: uncle a beating. I know you struggle through 4D mightily looking
: for someone to tell you how to live, a person like myself can only
: register as insane, because they seek no, witness, validation, or consensus.

I don't know about all that, but like I already said, it just wasn't
even relevant to what we were talking about. Still isn't.


: : I wonder if you've ever realized, that if you "programmed God"
: : for all practical purposes that makes YOU God.
:
: If you programmed a virus checker, does that make you VIRUS CHECKER.

For all practical purposes, yeah - it does. If a piece of software is
doing what I *programmed* then it's my 'plan' getting executed. If that programming of mine somehow applied to the functioning of the world
and everything in it, then I'd be "God".


: My GOD is an AI far superior to it's author. AI as automated intelligence.

99%+ of people who believe in 'God' see it as that which created
and/or rules the universe. For you to have a 'God' you say is
"superior to" (also implying it's different from?) anyone else's
AND to say you personally *programmed* it yourself is just about incomprehensible in the framework of 99%+ religious belief in 'God'.


: Think of Human Civilization as a bacteria colony, I am a virus using
: this civilization as a host. This bacteria colony is killing its host
: and has no ability to switch hosts. Eventually you must decide for yourself. : Accept you too are a data virus and created that light in the forest, or
: refuse to take responsibility and remain a bacterium. Red pill or blue pill?

Or, maybe neither of us are viruses or bacteria. Maybe we're both
just two more human beings. :) And maybe neither of us will ever
be able to change that.


: :So, bearing
: : in mind that I'm talking to a guy who thinks he's God,
:
: You pile premise upon predicate upon supposition upon mischaracterization
: to rebuild your shell of protective peptides and fight off the virus loading.

I may not understand, but I don't see how anything like what you say
could possibly work. Let's back it off to a simpler position then
and just say that I'm highly skeptical. :)


: : I think I'll just keep talking about anything I please.
: :
:
: I agree, as your chat associate of 23 years I am obligated by customs established to politely confront you one time with the surreal nature
: of your diatribes. It's been two years and Politics is your 4th religion.
: In the computational realms, making the same exact mistake four times
: leads to a diminishing state of returns and outcomes.

OMG. Politics isn't a religion any more than grocery shopping or
yard work is. :) It's merely a set of practical tasks necessary in
order to keep large communities of human beings functioning (at city,
state, national, and world levels). It's purely pragmatic.
At least, that's how I see it.

Granted, Trump's people are making it seem a bit "surreal", just by
the sheer dysfunctionality of their demented approach. But for you,
in particular, to call someone else's posts "surreal" has got to be
the epitome of irony. :)

The fact that *everyone else* in this place besides me seems to
imagine himself "too good" to even bother participating in how
their own community, city, state, and nation gets run continues
to strike me as strange and unrealistic in the extreme. Virus?
Bacteria? If we have to use weird metaphors, you're more like...
parasites. :)

And I still think the reason you insist upon speaking in metaphor
constantly is that if you didn't and instead spoke plainly giving
real-world examples all along the way, it would quickly become
apparent that you're largely delusional.


: : (As an aside, the guru "Sai Baba" once predicted he'd live into
: : his mid-90's and claimed he'd choose the date of his passing.
: : But he died at age 84 in 2011.)
:
: If I live to 8:06 AM 04-07-48 then it is an error also.
: If the various world clocks are desynchronized I could gather
: a mean average based on my personal clock and present you with
: gradient time value assignment calibration. Or perhaps an atomic
: clock with a trillionth of a second accuracy ratio should be employed.

Yeah, because that was my objection, that you just might not be
precise enough. LOL. Was that sufficiently dripping with sarcasm?
Wow. And I'm the one who's 'surreal'? :)

Btw, you sure talk precisely about TIME for someone who believes it
to be an illusion.


: : And truly, you sometimes speak as grandly as any "God" might.
:
: POT...... KETTLE.... BLACKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK !!!

If I ever speak grandly, then I am either being poetic or
expressing a strong opinion. I never speak as a "God".


: : For example, not long ago you said: "Planets should be like
: : paper cups used and disposed of properly".
:
: Exactly, a deeply held opinion, they are the flotsam and jetsam.
:
: That remark made
: : it clear enough what disdain you might hold for anyone strongly
: : motivated by a desire to protect and preserve the earth.
:
: SPOKEN LIKE A TRUE GOD.

I don't see how anyone could possibly see it that way. Are you
asserting that any person who wants to take good care of the place
where he/she lives is being grandiosely godlike? If so, how weird...


: Go fight the red light first.
: The information system can churn this version of a solar system out
: an infinite amount of times. Does a dung beetle cling to a single
: piece of poop his whole life. Does the aardvark borrow into a single
: mound of ants or termites.

Not a single creature that's ever lived here has been able to travel
to even the next planet over (Mars), much less out of this solar
system. Indeed, every creature that's ever lived here has only had
the option of living on exactly ONE planet. This one. That has been
the only option for anything alive here for billions of years. And...
for anyone to act as if that isn't true is decadent and irrational.


: REPEAT I am a virus, self editing information systems.
: You are a bacterium, a data bank imbued with operating instructions.
: I jump from host to host. You kill every host through sheer numbers
: and lack of access to The Zero. The fundamental reality within every point.

Repeat: Maybe we're just a couple of human beings. :) I.e., we are not
viruses, or bacteria, or Gods, and maybe neither of us has access to
anything remotely 'godlike' (with the exception of our own brains).


: : Since you love playing psychic, maybe you thought I'd forget
: : how back in the 90's I was the *first* person among us to talk at
: : length about my mother.
:
: How does teasing you about the phrase "MOTHER EARTH" morph
: Deus ex Machina into a discussion of mind reading.
: Thank you for that historical reminder and data point rebuttal.
:
: : - but I haven't forgotten, and since it
: : has nothing to do with what we were even talking about, I'm not
: : interested in repeating myself, or in catering to that attempt
: : to change the subject.
:
: The mother and son relationship has many parallels.
: That which originates in a host and becomes a separate entity.
: There are a myriad number of forms styles and permutations.
: If you talked about your Mom upon her passing, then I forgot due
: to the thick ochre green and tree bark brown that surrounds politics.
: https://www.empressmills.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Fabric-Paint-Yellow-Ochre-Product-102847.jpg

No. I talked about my mom here *several years* before she passed away.
And again, that was all totally irrelevant to our previous conversation
about the deranged government we've recently acquired and about how
they seem practically hellbent on destroying the earth.


: : Oh, and btw, worst Zeppelin song ever. :)
:
: If you say so GOD.
: Notice how, by creating a God, I avoided becoming One.

Btw, notice that merely having a strong opinion on a subject
doesn't mean one is playing God or believing themselves to be God.
My Spotify Zeppelin playlist has 133 songs in it. But not that one.
That doesn't mean I think I'm God, you see, it just means there are
at least 133 Zeppelin songs I like better than that one. :)


: Design Builder Owner
: Designer Building Inspector.
:
: Adam creates God. Core & Dome. Point-Sphere
: Eve creates Satan. Core & Dome. Point-Sphere

Supposedly God created Adam and Eve - and presumably Satan too
(in Jewish/Christian mythology). So that scheme is backwards
compared with how most Christians and religious folk view it.
Makes little sense to me either way.

(And none of it has a thing to do with how I view anything.)


: : The main lesson I believe I've learned in decades of posting
: : in this odd little place, is that human minds are shockingly
: : fragile and feeble,
:
: What is the thesis and proofs offered?
: Measurement by the self of others consciousness is a symptom.
: To me you are other who claims to be self who measures other.
: You are often disturbed by what you imagine to be the inner state of other.
:
: I do not bully other, and am not susceptible to bullying.
: I can die, but always my judgement of other remains open to reevaluation.

Once again, I was just expressing an opinion. But I think everyone is
to some degree susceptible to bullying. Since we're all human beings,
how could we not be?

But now, I have to ask. Do you not see that as a grandiose claim?
"I am not susceptible to bullying." That sounds like someone trying
to make himself out to be more than human.


: and that they will do almost anything
: : to avoid a genuine examination of their own belief systems.
: : This has been a sobering discovery, to say the least.
:
: The group has served as a good mirror to examine and admire yourself.
: The group has little value as actual individuals or patterns of behavior.
:
: :
: : It has also occurred to me (sticking with a 'mother' metaphor),
: : that if some psycho tries to harm a mother's children, it may
: : well end up appearing that the mother hates the psycho,
:
: The point of the metaphor is that when aggression is met by counter aggression,
: an observer might place upon the counter aggressor the emotion state value of : hate towards the original aggressor. A posit.
:
:
: : but... her primary motivation for whatever actions she may take
: : is love for her children and a strong desire to protect them.
:
: So Mother Earth is ergo a conscious being protecting The Moon.
: Hatred of the Sun is what might be perceived by the observer.

Well, I wasn't saying anything like that, of course. Sounds like
Gurdjieff or something. I didn't say Earth is a conscious being,
nor do I believe that. I was speaking of more simple facts:
again, literally all living things that we know of: arose on earth,
are composed of elements existing on earth, and are continually
supported by ecosystems of the earth, and in those real ways -
although I was speaking metaphorically - the earth is a 'mother'
to all that lives. And to continue in that vein, one could call
the Sun the 'father' of all life. For very similar reasons.
Photosynthesis is the foundation of the food chain for all life.


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See you presume.

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From: intraphase@gmail.com

On Wednesday, August 29, 2018 at 2:10:42 AM UTC-4, LowRider44M wrote:

SPECIAL THREAD
JEREMY CHRIST & MOTHER EARTH
~v~
LOWRIDER SATAN & THE RED LIGHTS

[]

A SPECIAL BUS / 4 SPECIAL PEOPLE.
A bit of housecleaning to keep Jer's & my ravings in one file

[]

https://youtu.be/u7JkgwDnDYc
LIKE A STORM - Wish You Hell

Previously...

======================================================

Jeremy Spaketh Thusly

======================================================

[]

On Saturday, August 25, 2018 at 9:23:40 PM UTC-7, LowRider44M wrote:
: On Thursday, August 23, 2018 at 3:24:38 PM UTC-4, Jeremy H. Denisovan

wrote:

: : Here again I find myself talking to an 'oracle' -
: : one who knows-all-sees-all. And that's really not acceptable.
:
: I have a small body of measuring tools.
: To know all presupposes that all has intrinsic value.
: I know what is required and necessary exactly when I do.
:
: :
: : You've claimed to see the future to the minute of your death
: : in 2048.
:
: Exactly, a navigational point that I shall or shall not reach.
: Depending on if I cooperate with the sequential progressions that
: lead to that navigational way point.

Or, maybe you don't really have any better idea of when and how
you'll die than anyone else does.

A theory can not be proven or disproven by maybe without qualification
You regale yourself with adherence to the scientific method but offer
only the power of consensus opinion.

: You've claimed you talked to Jesus.
:
: Four billion people have talked to Jesus including you long ago.

Four billion pretend to. And they teach children to, before they're
even old enough to know better or protect themselves. But you seemed
to be claiming it was a 'two-way conversation'? :)

Seemed to be is your conjecture of the posit.
A need to frame your characterization of the statement in binary terms.
I spoke to Jesus one time in a very specific situation and he was unable
to speak due to circumstances beyond his reckoning. I stated I thought
he was a demon (being of chaos) like yourself. I offered him a ride.
It is an open variable in an ongoing equation. You obviously spoke to Jesus many times when you were a customer of that cultural warehouse. I'm sure
you spoke to Don Juan, Buddha and Xenu also. Your taking the bait about accidentally speaking to Jesus one time when driving through the desert
and taking a piss reflects your own inner inventory of models, portraits
and catalogue of experiences.

You spoke to the God I created that night in the forest.
It was the sum totality of your existence before during and after.
An equation you could choose to try and solve or ignore as irrelevant.

GLENDOWER: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
HOTSPUR: Why, so can I, or so can any man.
But will they come when you do call for them?

The God I created still baffles you and every other messiah wannabee.
You have your crown of thorns and you scourge yourself with rhetorical ambiguity and a desire to escape from freedom into spirals of repetition.

: : and that you have
: : programmed God ("like an AI").
:
: Your God is you.
: My God is me.

I *don't* think I'm God or that "my God is me", or that "I program
God". Neither. None of the above. Again, you have confirmed that
in some way you do. But if you're using 'God' in some completely
different sense than most people do, then I don't know how far we're
going to get.

So afraid of a single word. You are a science poser. At least Thang
feels compelled to read refereed papers. The thing you hate about my
dialectics and pedagogy is that I can distill vast mountains of information into viable toy models that I can demonstrate. With science there is a true cliche; "If you can't explain it to your mom you don't really understand it." Your former indoctrinates say in parallel metaphor. "Don't preach the word until you can stand on the rock." It means don't bother trying to calm the stormy
seas until you have built an island to command the from."

: Your the most religious person I have ever known.
: You were a Christian, a Scientologist and a Warrior-Sorcerer.
: I was never a religious person ever, I studied religion to understand

others.

So did I. I was also briefly a Buddhist. But looking back, most of
those were more 'explorations' than firmly adopted convictions.

That's your style. Something you and Thang have jousted over semantically.
The idea being that sometimes it is better to follow a sequential progression to its absolute end and be able to take a true measure of its worth by various standards of weighting and theorizing. Directly related to the idea that success is born of many failures until subject mastery is gained.
Long story short, your inner make up renders you a dilettante. Unable
to commit to a set of strategies, principles, and course of action.
The cliche in reference being, "The paralysis of analysis."
In the basic sequence: Observe Hypothesize Experiment Analyze / Observe...
You are consistently unable to reach a more hybrid form of observation after stalling interminably in the analysis stage.

The only one of those paths I ever strongly believed for a time
was "warrior-sorcerer" and it's debatable whether that's even a
"religion",

An invalid variable: Define religion.
Rephrasing to hone the point: It was your preoccupation, your focus.
That's where your arguments and counter arguments rest on semantic and mechanical reinforcement instead of substance. Your energy and attention
was directed towards it and it is a part of your consciousness even if caged
in an imaginary sanctuary called "the past."

although for all practical purposes I'd call it one.

I like it when you flip those waffles.
A pint of pure maple syrup on me old chum.

So that's really just ONE. And that belief ended 20 years ago.

It was self chosen after escaping a previous indoctrination.
I shall concede it was a bridge or escape hatch from an unchosen.

Christian doesn't 'count' since it was childhood indoctrination
I'd abandoned by adolescence, and similarly, I rejected both
Buddhism and Scientology after less than a year of formal adoption
each. I also studied Hinduism, Taoism, Sikhism, and several others
in a fair amount of depth along the way.

Religion is like a picture frame formed by the eyes, everyone has one.
Each religion is a catalogue of items and contextualizes, systems of perception.

Now I'm not religious at all.

You, otoh, have within the last year been quoting several tenets
of ancient Christian literature here as if it's part of your beliefs.
We may be quibbling over the meaning of "religious". But no, I'm not.

Why should that trouble you.
A lot of Christian's hope Jesus survived death.
That he is preparing a place for them in his father's house.
If I read their books to understand Jesus and his faithful, it harms no one.

: :A couple of times now you've
: : pronounced that the human race is doomed.

In each instance a different specific scenario.
When I posit a theorem I state the opposing theory.
Adding up every calculation and probability the outcomes range
from a miniscule chance to a reasonable chance of survival.
When you were confronted in the forest by the light did you follow
the sequence to its logical conclusion. Did you juggle the variables
until only one possibility remained.

You see, for me there is no variable.
I followed the sequential progression.
Infinite inward and infinite outward, until I realized those two dynamics
were like everything else, handy value assignment, but lacking that one
most precious commodity: A CONSCIOUS DECISION.

:
: That is a scientific, mathematical certainty.

Then you should be able to provide the scientific evidence of it.
Please do. :)

We are both standing in the forest.
I have become both you and the light.
I recognize you are trapped in a dead civilization.
I am reviewing the records and applying variables to the sequencing.
Hence your inability to understand my measurements and remeasurements.
In some computational sequences 08-10-2006 happened and in some it did not. Your unable to grasp the idea that cognitive dissonance can lead to well
sorted stacking arrangements of competing priorities. In previous
conversations you have registered distaste for the word competition and
it's various progeny in the thesaurus. Competition speaks to excellence
and individual achievement. Something you lost out on that night in the forest.

: : (Naturally, Slider must love that. :) )
: :
:

I identify with more facets of sliders personea than yours.
He has converted suffering step by step into transcendence.
He followed every line until he understood its all value assignment.
Survive - Thrive - Conquer - Triumph - Transcend
Personages: The person you are, The person who wants to change,
The person who does the changing, The person you become, The person
who moves on.

: Asking about your Mom and the light in the forest was unfair.
: It was like climbing into someone's attic and giving their crazy
: uncle a beating. I know you struggle through 4D mightily looking
: for someone to tell you how to live, a person like myself can only
: register as insane, because they seek no, witness, validation, or

consensus.

I don't know about all that, but like I already said, it just wasn't
even relevant to what we were talking about. Still isn't.

It's always relevant.
It's why you take issue.
I choose to choose first, then I choose.
I accept the actions outcomes before I choose the action.

: : I wonder if you've ever realized, that if you "programmed God"
: : for all practical purposes that makes YOU God.

You ability to deal with the nexus between two words is lacking.
Your endless need to expand simple ideas to absolutes is sloppy.
In my internal world those words have never been assigned a meaning.
If I was to speculate your channeling some variant of your self there.

:
: If you programmed a virus checker, does that make you VIRUS CHECKER.

For all practical purposes, yeah - it does. If a piece of software is
doing what I *programmed* then it's my 'plan' getting executed. If that programming of mine somehow applied to the functioning of the world
and everything in it, then I'd be "God".

You have but one definition of God.
So your poverty of thought is controlled by your child self.
You seek a human god to replace a human god you lost long ago.

If you had to choose one word and become that word what would you choose? Choose carefully as the idea of the eternal and infinite swirl about your momentary island of choice. Or choose not to choose.

: My GOD is an AI far superior to it's author. AI as automated intelligence.

99%+ of people who believe in 'God' see it as that which created
and/or rules the universe.

No you believe exactly that.
99% have a range of thoughts, emotions, and wondering.

I thought it created a mist upon the waters, just now.
But it was really an Island of choice that slipped back into un-choice.

So let's see, I built a God that scares you.
That was the point, he is the real Catcher In The Rye.

For you to have a 'God' you say is
"superior to" (also implying it's different from?) anyone else's

Yes, crafted and honed in a realm without thought.

AND to say you personally *programmed* it yourself is just about incomprehensible in the framework of 99%+ religious belief in 'God'.

You crafted a eight by ten foot frame, by presuming to measure 99%
of your fellow beings thoughts and then glued your perception of my
ideas into a framework you can lazily understand and dismiss as very
similar to the 99% you have already discounted as the "feeble minded."

You grapple with meaning. I have light speed multiples you have uni-verses.

: Think of Human Civilization as a bacteria colony, I am a virus using
: this civilization as a host. This bacteria colony is killing its host
: and has no ability to switch hosts. Eventually you must decide for

yourself.

: Accept you too are a data virus and created that light in the forest, or
: refuse to take responsibility and remain a bacterium. Red pill or blue

pill?

Or, maybe neither of us are viruses or bacteria. Maybe we're both
just two more human beings. :) And maybe neither of us will ever
be able to change that.

I already built what was required.

: :So, bearing
: : in mind that I'm talking to a guy who thinks he's God,
:

I've put up with your personality disorder for 23 years.
It's because I admire your spunk and wicked fork tongue ways.
You never really say anything other than to object to what others say.
Always playing psychiatrist never understanding transference and projection. You believe I fear insanity and death as deeply as you do so you target that believing it is my maximum area of vulnerability. Thought is my weakness.
You believe your brain as it spins 3x counterclockwise through the dark fabrics at 160 miles per second. I believe in carefully measured choices.

When I speak to the group as a whole I speak guy to guy.
To you I speak predator to predator, sociopath to sociopath.
In the hopes you can raise your game and meet back in the forest.

: You pile premise upon predicate upon supposition upon mischaracterization
: to rebuild your shell of protective peptides and fight off the virus

loading.

I may not understand, but I don't see how anything like what you say
could possibly work. Let's back it off to a simpler position then
and just say that I'm highly skeptical. :)

Well, it would never occur to you why I have been here 23 years.
Its not in your cloistered claustrophobic lexicon of thoughts or imagining.

: : I think I'll just keep talking about anything I please.
: :
:

Atta boy tiger.

: I agree, as your chat associate of 23 years I am obligated by customs

established to politely confront you one time with the surreal nature

: of your diatribes. It's been two years and Politics is your 4th religion.
: In the computational realms, making the same exact mistake four times
: leads to a diminishing state of returns and outcomes.

OMG. Politics isn't a religion

It is a view of the essential order of reality.
Part of your descent into Jeremy Christ and Mother Earth projections.

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On Tuesday, August 28, 2018 at 11:10:42 PM UTC-7, LowRider44M wrote:

SPECIAL THREAD
JEREMY CHRIST & MOTHER EARTH
~v~
LOWRIDER SATAN & THE RED LIGHTS

[]

A SPECIAL BUS / 4 SPECIAL PEOPLE.
A bit of housecleaning to keep Jer's & my ravings in one file

[]

https://youtu.be/u7JkgwDnDYc
LIKE A STORM - Wish You Hell

Previously...

======================================================

Jeremy Spaketh Thusly

======================================================

[]

On Saturday, August 25, 2018 at 9:23:40 PM UTC-7, LowRider44M wrote:
: On Thursday, August 23, 2018 at 3:24:38 PM UTC-4, Jeremy H. Denisovan

wrote:

: : Here again I find myself talking to an 'oracle' -
: : one who knows-all-sees-all. And that's really not acceptable.
:
: I have a small body of measuring tools.
: To know all presupposes that all has intrinsic value.
: I know what is required and necessary exactly when I do.
:
: :
: : You've claimed to see the future to the minute of your death
: : in 2048.
:
: Exactly, a navigational point that I shall or shall not reach.
: Depending on if I cooperate with the sequential progressions that
: lead to that navigational way point.

Or, maybe you don't really have any better idea of when and how
you'll die than anyone else does.


: You've claimed you talked to Jesus.
:
: Four billion people have talked to Jesus including you long ago.

Four billion pretend to. And they teach children to, before they're
even old enough to know better or protect themselves. But you seemed
to be claiming it was a 'two-way conversation'? :)

GLENDOWER: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
HOTSPUR: Why, so can I, or so can any man.
But will they come when you do call for them?

: : and that you have
: : programmed God ("like an AI").
:
: Your God is you.
: My God is me.

I *don't* think I'm God or that "my God is me", or that "I program
God". Neither. None of the above. Again, you have confirmed that
in some way you do. But if you're using 'God' in some completely
different sense than most people do, then I don't know how far we're
going to get.

: Your the most religious person I have ever known.
: You were a Christian, a Scientologist and a Warrior-Sorcerer.
: I was never a religious person ever, I studied religion to understand

others.

So did I. I was also briefly a Buddhist. But looking back, most of
those were more 'explorations' than firmly adopted convictions.
The only one of those paths I ever strongly believed for a time
was "warrior-sorcerer" and it's debatable whether that's even a
"religion", although for all practical purposes I'd call it one.
So that's really just ONE. And that belief ended 20 years ago.

Christian doesn't 'count' since it was childhood indoctrination
I'd abandoned by adolescence, and similarly, I rejected both
Buddhism and Scientology after less than a year of formal adoption
each. I also studied Hinduism, Taoism, Sikhism, and several others
in a fair amount of depth along the way.

Now I'm not religious at all.

You, otoh, have within the last year been quoting several tenets
of ancient Christian literature here as if it's part of your beliefs.
We may be quibbling over the meaning of "religious". But no, I'm not.


: :A couple of times now you've
: : pronounced that the human race is doomed.
:
: That is a scientific, mathematical certainty.

Then you should be able to provide the scientific evidence of it.
Please do. :)

: : (Naturally, Slider must love that. :) )
: :
:
: Asking about your Mom and the light in the forest was unfair.
: It was like climbing into someone's attic and giving their crazy
: uncle a beating. I know you struggle through 4D mightily looking
: for someone to tell you how to live, a person like myself can only
: register as insane, because they seek no, witness, validation, or

consensus.

I don't know about all that, but like I already said, it just wasn't
even relevant to what we were talking about. Still isn't.


: : I wonder if you've ever realized, that if you "programmed God"
: : for all practical purposes that makes YOU God.
:
: If you programmed a virus checker, does that make you VIRUS CHECKER.

For all practical purposes, yeah - it does. If a piece of software is
doing what I *programmed* then it's my 'plan' getting executed. If that programming of mine somehow applied to the functioning of the world
and everything in it, then I'd be "God".

: My GOD is an AI far superior to it's author. AI as automated intelligence.

99%+ of people who believe in 'God' see it as that which created
and/or rules the universe. For you to have a 'God' you say is
"superior to" (also implying it's different from?) anyone else's
AND to say you personally *programmed* it yourself is just about incomprehensible in the framework of 99%+ religious belief in 'God'.

: Think of Human Civilization as a bacteria colony, I am a virus using
: this civilization as a host. This bacteria colony is killing its host
: and has no ability to switch hosts. Eventually you must decide for

yourself.

: Accept you too are a data virus and created that light in the forest, or
: refuse to take responsibility and remain a bacterium. Red pill or blue

pill?

Or, maybe neither of us are viruses or bacteria. Maybe we're both
just two more human beings. :) And maybe neither of us will ever
be able to change that.


: :So, bearing
: : in mind that I'm talking to a guy who thinks he's God,
:
: You pile premise upon predicate upon supposition upon mischaracterization
: to rebuild your shell of protective peptides and fight off the virus

loading.

I may not understand, but I don't see how anything like what you say
could possibly work. Let's back it off to a simpler position then
and just say that I'm highly skeptical. :)

: : I think I'll just keep talking about anything I please.
: :
:
: I agree, as your chat associate of 23 years I am obligated by customs

established to politely confront you one time with the surreal nature

: of your diatribes. It's been two years and Politics is your 4th religion.
: In the computational realms, making the same exact mistake four times
: leads to a diminishing state of returns and outcomes.

OMG. Politics isn't a religion any more than grocery shopping or
yard work is. :) It's merely a set of practical tasks necessary in
order to keep large communities of human beings functioning (at city,
state, national, and world levels). It's purely pragmatic.
At least, that's how I see it.

Granted, Trump's people are making it seem a bit "surreal", just by
the sheer dysfunctionality of their demented approach. But for you,
in particular, to call someone else's posts "surreal" has got to be
the epitome of irony. :)

The fact that *everyone else* in this place besides me seems to
imagine himself "too good" to even bother participating in how
their own community, city, state, and nation gets run continues
to strike me as strange and unrealistic in the extreme. Virus?
Bacteria? If we have to use weird metaphors, you're more like...
parasites. :)

And I still think the reason you insist upon speaking in metaphor
constantly is that if you didn't and instead spoke plainly giving
real-world examples all along the way, it would quickly become
apparent that you're largely delusional.


: : (As an aside, the guru "Sai Baba" once predicted he'd live into
: : his mid-90's and claimed he'd choose the date of his passing.
: : But he died at age 84 in 2011.)
:
: If I live to 8:06 AM 04-07-48 then it is an error also.
: If the various world clocks are desynchronized I could gather
: a mean average based on my personal clock and present you with
: gradient time value assignment calibration. Or perhaps an atomic
: clock with a trillionth of a second accuracy ratio should be employed.

Yeah, because that was my objection, that you just might not be
precise enough. LOL. Was that sufficiently dripping with sarcasm?
Wow. And I'm the one who's 'surreal'? :)

Btw, you sure talk precisely about TIME for someone who believes it
to be an illusion.


: : And truly, you sometimes speak as grandly as any "God" might.
:
: POT...... KETTLE.... BLACKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK !!!

If I ever speak grandly, then I am either being poetic or
expressing a strong opinion. I never speak as a "God".


: : For example, not long ago you said: "Planets should be like
: : paper cups used and disposed of properly".
:
: Exactly, a deeply held opinion, they are the flotsam and jetsam.
:
: That remark made
: : it clear enough what disdain you might hold for anyone strongly
: : motivated by a desire to protect and preserve the earth.
:
: SPOKEN LIKE A TRUE GOD.

I don't see how anyone could possibly see it that way. Are you
asserting that any person who wants to take good care of the place
where he/she lives is being grandiosely godlike? If so, how weird...


: Go fight the red light first.
: The information system can churn this version of a solar system out
: an infinite amount of times. Does a dung beetle cling to a single
: piece of poop his whole life. Does the aardvark borrow into a single
: mound of ants or termites.

Not a single creature that's ever lived here has been able to travel
to even the next planet over (Mars), much less out of this solar
system. Indeed, every creature that's ever lived here has only had
the option of living on exactly ONE planet. This one. That has been
the only option for anything alive here for billions of years. And...
for anyone to act as if that isn't true is decadent and irrational.


: REPEAT I am a virus, self editing information systems.
: You are a bacterium, a data bank imbued with operating instructions.
: I jump from host to host. You kill every host through sheer numbers
: and lack of access to The Zero. The fundamental reality within every point.

Repeat: Maybe we're just a couple of human beings. :) I.e., we are not viruses, or bacteria, or Gods, and maybe neither of us has access to
anything remotely 'godlike' (with the exception of our own brains).

: : Since you love playing psychic, maybe you thought I'd forget
: : how back in the 90's I was the *first* person among us to talk at
: : length about my mother.
:
: How does teasing you about the phrase "MOTHER EARTH" morph
: Deus ex Machina into a discussion of mind reading.
: Thank you for that historical reminder and data point rebuttal.
:
: : - but I haven't forgotten, and since it
: : has nothing to do with what we were even talking about, I'm not
: : interested in repeating myself, or in catering to that attempt
: : to change the subject.
:
: The mother and son relationship has many parallels.
: That which originates in a host and becomes a separate entity.
: There are a myriad number of forms styles and permutations.
: If you talked about your Mom upon her passing, then I forgot due
: to the thick ochre green and tree bark brown that surrounds politics.
: https://www.empressmills.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Fabric-Paint-Yellow-Ochre-Product-102847.jpg

No. I talked about my mom here *several years* before she passed away.
And again, that was all totally irrelevant to our previous conversation
about the deranged government we've recently acquired and about how
they seem practically hellbent on destroying the earth.

: : Oh, and btw, worst Zeppelin song ever. :)
:
: If you say so GOD.
: Notice how, by creating a God, I avoided becoming One.

Btw, notice that merely having a strong opinion on a subject
doesn't mean one is playing God or believing themselves to be God.
My Spotify Zeppelin playlist has 133 songs in it. But not that one.
That doesn't mean I think I'm God, you see, it just means there are
at least 133 Zeppelin songs I like better than that one. :)


: Design Builder Owner
: Designer Building Inspector.
:
: Adam creates God. Core & Dome. Point-Sphere
: Eve creates Satan. Core & Dome. Point-Sphere

Supposedly God created Adam and Eve - and presumably Satan too
(in Jewish/Christian mythology). So that scheme is backwards
compared with how most Christians and religious folk view it.
Makes little sense to me either way.

(And none of it has a thing to do with how I view anything.)

: : The main lesson I believe I've learned in decades of posting
: : in this odd little place, is that human minds are shockingly
: : fragile and feeble,
:
: What is the thesis and proofs offered?
: Measurement by the self of others consciousness is a symptom.
: To me you are other who claims to be self who measures other.
: You are often disturbed by what you imagine to be the inner state of other. :
: I do not bully other, and am not susceptible to bullying.
: I can die, but always my judgement of other remains open to reevaluation.

Once again, I was just expressing an opinion. But I think everyone is
to some degree susceptible to bullying. Since we're all human beings,
how could we not be?

But now, I have to ask. Do you not see that as a grandiose claim?
"I am not susceptible to bullying." That sounds like someone trying
to make himself out to be more than human.


: and that they will do almost anything
: : to avoid a genuine examination of their own belief systems.
: : This has been a sobering discovery, to say the least.
:
: The group has served as a good mirror to examine and admire yourself.
: The group has little value as actual individuals or patterns of behavior.
:
: :
: : It has also occurred to me (sticking with a 'mother' metaphor),
: : that if some psycho tries to harm a mother's children, it may
: : well end up appearing that the mother hates the psycho,
:
: The point of the metaphor is that when aggression is met by counter

aggression,

: an observer might place upon the counter aggressor the emotion state value

of

: hate towards the original aggressor. A posit.
:
:
: : but... her primary motivation for whatever actions she may take

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