• Trump does the deal of the century - peace in Asia

    From thang ornerythinchus@1:229/2 to All on Wednesday, June 13, 2018 10:25:07
    From: thangolossus@gmail.com

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5833839/Trump-Kim-Jong-sign-historic-document-joint-statement-says-full.html

    This statement, signed by both, is incredible. Obama can kicked this
    matter down the road for two terms, his predecessors the same.

    Trump sorts this shit out in less than half of his first term.

    The statement:

    "President Trump and Chairman Kim Jong Un conducted a comprehensive,
    in-depth and sincere exchange of opinions on the issues related to the establishment of new US-DPRK relations and the building of a lasting
    and robust peace regime on the Korean Peninsula. President Trump
    committed to provide security guarantees to the DPRK, and Chairman Kim
    Jong Un reaffirmed his firm and unwavering commitment to complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula.

    Convinced that the establishment of new US-DPRK relations will
    contribute to the peace and prosperity of the Korean Peninsula and of
    the world, and recognizing that mutual confidence building can promote
    the denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula, President Trump and
    Chairman Kim Jong Un state the following:

    1. The United States and the DPRK commit to establish new US-DPRK
    relations in accordance with the desire of the peoples of the two
    countries for peace and prosperity.

    2. The United States and DPRK will join their efforts to build a
    lasting and stable peace regime on the Korean Peninsula.

    3. Reaffirming the April 27, 2018 Panmunjom Declaration, the DPRK
    commits to work toward complete denuclearization of the Korean
    Peninsula

    4. The United States and the DPRK commit to recovering POW/MIA
    remains, including the immediate repatriation of those already
    identified.

    Having acknowledged that the US-DPRK summit - the first in history -
    was an epochal event of great significance in overcoming decades of
    tensions and hostilities between the two countries and for the opening
    up of a new future, President Trump and Chairman Kim Jong Un commit to implement the stipulations in the joint statement fully and
    expeditiously. The United States and the DPRK commit to hold follow-on negotiations, led by the US Secretary of State, Mike Pompeo, and a
    relevant high-level DPRK official, at the earliest possible date, to
    implement the outcomes of the US-DPRK summit.

    President Donald J. Trump of the United States of America and Chairman
    Kim Jong Un of the State Affairs Commission of the Democratic People's
    Republic of Korea have committed to cooperate for the development of
    new US-DPRK relations and for the promotion of peace, prosperity, and
    the security of the Korean Peninsula and of the world.

    DONALD J. TRUMP President of the United States of America

    KIM JONG UN Chairman of the State Affairs Commission of the Democratic
    People's Republic of Korea

    June 12, 2018 Sentosa Island Singapore"



    Read it and weep, you haters :)

    Good job, Mr Trump. NOBEL for you my man.

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  • From slider@1:229/2 to thangolossus@gmail.com on Wednesday, June 13, 2018 04:01:44
    From: slider@anashram.com

    On Wed, 13 Jun 2018 03:25:07 +0100, thang ornerythinchus <thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5833839/Trump-Kim-Jong-sign-historic-document-joint-statement-says-full.html

    This statement, signed by both, is incredible. Obama can kicked this
    matter down the road for two terms, his predecessors the same.

    Trump sorts this shit out in less than half of his first term.

    The statement:

    "President Trump and Chairman Kim Jong Un conducted a comprehensive,
    in-depth and sincere exchange of opinions on the issues related to the establishment of new US-DPRK relations and the building of a lasting
    and robust peace regime on the Korean Peninsula. President Trump
    committed to provide security guarantees to the DPRK, and Chairman Kim
    Jong Un reaffirmed his firm and unwavering commitment to complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula.

    Convinced that the establishment of new US-DPRK relations will
    contribute to the peace and prosperity of the Korean Peninsula and of
    the world, and recognizing that mutual confidence building can promote
    the denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula, President Trump and
    Chairman Kim Jong Un state the following:

    1. The United States and the DPRK commit to establish new US-DPRK
    relations in accordance with the desire of the peoples of the two
    countries for peace and prosperity.

    2. The United States and DPRK will join their efforts to build a
    lasting and stable peace regime on the Korean Peninsula.

    3. Reaffirming the April 27, 2018 Panmunjom Declaration, the DPRK
    commits to work toward complete denuclearization of the Korean
    Peninsula

    4. The United States and the DPRK commit to recovering POW/MIA
    remains, including the immediate repatriation of those already
    identified.

    Having acknowledged that the US-DPRK summit - the first in history -
    was an epochal event of great significance in overcoming decades of
    tensions and hostilities between the two countries and for the opening
    up of a new future, President Trump and Chairman Kim Jong Un commit to implement the stipulations in the joint statement fully and
    expeditiously. The United States and the DPRK commit to hold follow-on negotiations, led by the US Secretary of State, Mike Pompeo, and a
    relevant high-level DPRK official, at the earliest possible date, to implement the outcomes of the US-DPRK summit.

    President Donald J. Trump of the United States of America and Chairman
    Kim Jong Un of the State Affairs Commission of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea have committed to cooperate for the development of
    new US-DPRK relations and for the promotion of peace, prosperity, and
    the security of the Korean Peninsula and of the world.

    DONALD J. TRUMP President of the United States of America

    KIM JONG UN Chairman of the State Affairs Commission of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea

    June 12, 2018 Sentosa Island Singapore"



    Read it and weep, you haters :)

    Good job, Mr Trump. NOBEL for you my man.

    ### - i know you're, erm, hopeful thang and all that heh... but the odds,
    based on past form between these 2 nations, are against any successful
    lasting deal being struck so quickly?

    chamberlain came home here waving a bit of paper once, and the next thing
    ya know it was ww2!

    ding-dong's already claiming shit that wasn't even in the document + iran
    has been sending messages to korea not to trust the US as they'll likely
    pull outta any deal made anyway!

    personally methinks ding-dong's playing a waiting game, he'll delay delay
    + outlast trumpy + cost the US et-al millions in the meantime, and until
    he's dealing with some other regime altogether, there's even chatter that russia's been giving advise to n.korea along those very lines, so don't
    getcher hopes up too high sport, truth is nothings really happened yet
    except media hype & trumpy looking a bit shagged-out heh :)

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  • From Jeremy H. Denisovan@1:229/2 to All on Wednesday, June 13, 2018 11:08:09
    From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

    What Happened in the Trump-Kim Meeting and Why It Matters

    By Max Fisher
    June 12, 2018

    http://tinyurl.com/ycfybl9e

    Colorful theatrics, such as a four-minute video that Mr. Trump showed Mr. Kim, gave the event an air of surrealism. Expectations ranged wildly, with Mr. Trump
    promising the deal of the century and many analysts fearing a blowup similar to
    what happened
    at last week’s Group of 7 meeting in Canada.

    Video:
    https://youtu.be/A838gS8nwas?t=2

    And Mr. Trump’s habit of making misleading statements, along with his record of defying norms, can make it difficult to parse which of the summit’s outcomes matter and which don’t, which bring Mr. Trump and Mr. Kim closer to their respective goals
    and which move them further away.

    Here, then, is a simple breakdown of 10 major takeaways from the meeting and why they matter.

    What Happened and Didn’t

    (1) Almost any talks between the United States and North Korea, while those talks are continuing, significantly reduce the risk of an accidental or unintended slide into war, which could kill millions. The simple act of talking
    changes North Korean and
    American behaviors and perceptions in ways that make conflict far less likely. That’s a big deal.

    (2) The joint statement signed by Mr. Trump and Mr. Kim contains polite diplomatic platitudes but is otherwise largely empty. Among adversaries, this sort of statement is a common, low-pressure way to keep talks going. It doesn’t resolve any issues,
    but it keeps the countries engaged.

    (3) Later, Mr. Trump made a concession with significance that is real but easy to overstate: The United States will suspend its joint military exercises with South Korea. Mr. Trump was setting a policy that analysts refer to as “freeze
    for freeze,”
    in which the United States freezes the exercises and North Korea freezes its weapons tests. It’s meant to reduce tensions and create space for more meaningful concessions. Though not all analysts support such a policy, it is a mainstream idea and
    hardly radical.

    (4) There is one asterisk to the otherwise modest policy implications. South Korean officials expressed surprise at Mr. Trump’s promise to suspend joint military exercises, suggesting that Mr. Trump may have made the concession on South Korea’s
    behalf without its consent or advance knowledge. The South Korean leadership will probably swallow their pride and accept it, but Mr. Trump’s public breach of the alliance sends the message that South Koreans cannot always count
    on the United States.
    It also offers North Korea the tantalizing prospect of widening any divide between Washington and Seoul.

    The Theater That Mattered

    (5) The United States staged the summit meeting in a way that handed Mr. Kim some symbolic but meaningful concessions. At the North Koreans’ request, the two countries and their leaders were presented as equals — elevating Mr. Kim from global pariah
    to a superpower’s peer. Their meeting was given pomp and ceremony at points verging on that of a royal wedding. Because Mr. Kim’s legitimacy is among his
    greatest vulnerabilities at home and abroad, this staging was a big gift to him.

    (6) It costs the United States little to make those concessions. Still, they can be given away only once, and the United States received relatively little from North Korea in return. Analysts broadly consider this a lost opportunity to extract more
    meaningful concessions from North Korea, such as partial disarmament or intrusive nuclear inspections.

    (7) The meeting sends important messages to other adversarial states. Mr. Kim appears to have forced Mr. Trump to the table by developing nuclear weapons and
    missiles that can reach the United States. But Mr. Kim’s human rights record,
    considered among
    the world’s worst, did not appear to be an issue. Mr. Trump even suggested that North Korea could become a major tourist destination, almost exactly one year after an American tourist, Otto Warmbier, died of what appeared to be torture endured while in
    North Korean custody.

    The Bigger Picture

    (8) If the point of the meeting was to bring the world demonstrably closer to resolving the North Korea crisis, then that didn’t happen. North Korea took no steps, even rhetorical, toward disarming. The United States also made no concrete, long-term
    changes; the freeze on exercises can be easily reversed. The meeting fell far short of Mr. Trump’s lofty promises of North Korean denuclearization. But it also averted analysts’ fears that Mr. Trump might make an outright withdrawal
    of American
    troops from South Korea or blow up at Mr. Kim.

    (9) Mr. Trump’s foreign policy actions elsewhere may limit what he can accomplish with North Korea. By tearing up the Iran nuclear deal despite sustained indication of Iranian compliance, and by reneging on agreements even with long-term allies, the
    United States has deepened suspicion that it cannot be trusted to make arms-control agreements. So don’t expect talks to produce much of verifiable substance.

    (10) Still, it’s worth reiterating that first point: Almost any talks, even if they elevate Mr. Kim and grant him concessions for little return, significantly reduce the risk of war. The effect applies only as long as talks continue, so is almost
    certainly temporary. But as Mr. Trump said in the joint news conference on Tuesday: “If I have to say I’m sitting on a stage with Chairman Kim and that’s going to get us to save 30 million lives, maybe more than that, I’m willing to sit on the
    stage. I’m willing to travel to Singapore very gladly.”

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  • From LowRider44M@1:229/2 to All on Friday, June 15, 2018 11:08:42
  • From Jeremy H. Denisovan@1:229/2 to All on Friday, June 15, 2018 12:56:07
    From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

    Reality.

    Paul Manafort, One of D.C.'s Most Venerable Swamp Creatures,
    Is Headed to Jail

    http://tinyurl.com/ya47se7d

    WASHINGTON – "I thought about this long and hard, Mr. Manafort. I have no appetite for this."

    In an overflow room at the D.C. federal courthouse in the shadow of the Capitol, the voice of Judge Amy Berman Jackson came through reedy and distant from the ceiling speakers. But her decision was unequivocal. Paul Manafort, the
    former chairman of
    Donald Trump's presidential campaign and the disgraced king of Washington's lobbying industry, had violated the terms of his house arrest. He was going to jail.

    Manafort is the first ex-Trump campaign aide to be jailed as part of Special Counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into the campaign and its interactions with Russian officials. Mueller has also secured guilty pleas from five others and indicted 17
    Russian individuals and organizations as part of his investigation.

    Manafort, who is 69, faces charges of money laundering, failing to register as a foreign lobbyist, conspiracy against the U.S. and bank fraud, among other allegations. But Friday's hearing concerned a more recent allegation: that Manafort and an
    associate from his overseas consulting work had obstructed justice by engaging in witness tampering, contacting potential witnesses by phone and an encrypted messaging app.

    In court, Mueller's prosecutors argued that Manafort, by contacting would-be witnesses, had violated the terms of his release and should go to jail. Manafort's lawyers, for their part, mounted a spirited if unconvincing (and sometimes laughable) defense
    on behalf of their client. They said Manafort's outreach to two potential witnesses, identified in court as D1 and D2, did not amount to witness tampering – that, yes, he had reached out to them but not for the purpose of swaying them in his favor.
    Manafort's lawyers said that his use of WhatsApp, the encrypted messaging service, meant nothing about the purpose or intent of the messages he sent. The
    lawyer noted, to snickers, that WhatsApp was something his children used.

    Judge Jackson struck a sympathetic if exasperated tone as she spoke about Manafort and his actions over the course of Friday's hearing. She walked the courtroom through the nuances of the Bail Reform Act, questioned the government's and Manafort's
    attorneys with equal rigor and weighed aloud whether Manafort – if allowed to
    remain free on bail – posed a threat to any individuals or to the broader community.

    After a short break, Jackson returned and gave her decision. She strained to think of any way, she said, to protect against Manafort contacting more witnesses if allowed to remain at home. "This is not middle school," she said. "I can't take his cell
    phone." Manafort's actions, his untrustworthiness, she said, left her no choice: Manafort had to go to jail until his trial dates.

    ***

    Reality: Sleaze-king's former campaign manager goes to jail.

    .

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  • From thang ornerythinchus@1:229/2 to david.j.worrell@gmail.com on Thursday, June 21, 2018 14:08:47
    From: thangolossus@gmail.com

    On Wed, 13 Jun 2018 11:08:09 -0700 (PDT), "Jeremy H. Denisovan" <david.j.worrell@gmail.com> wrote:

    What Happened in the Trump-Kim Meeting and Why It Matters

    <snip>

    (10) Still, it’s worth reiterating that first point: Almost any talks, even if they elevate Mr. Kim and grant him concessions for little return, significantly reduce the risk of war. The effect applies only as long as talks continue, so is almost
    certainly temporary. But as Mr. Trump said in the joint news conference on Tuesday:
    “If I have to say I’m sitting on a stage with Chairman Kim and that’s going to get us to save 30 million lives, maybe more than that, I’m willing to sit on the stage. I’m willing to travel to Singapore very gladly.”

    This is the point well made. It shows that Trump was willing, and
    presumably still is, to look objectively at what war would bring - 30
    million dead, possibly including a city or two devastated in the US.

    Any deal, any talk, is better than *that*. I'm surprised you didn't
    even read the entirety of the article you posted.

    That, my friend, means you're trolling :)


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  • From thang ornerythinchus@1:229/2 to david.j.worrell@gmail.com on Thursday, June 21, 2018 15:40:25
    From: thangolossus@gmail.com

    On Fri, 15 Jun 2018 12:56:07 -0700 (PDT), "Jeremy H. Denisovan" <david.j.worrell@gmail.com> wrote:

    Reality.

    Paul Manafort, One of D.C.'s Most Venerable Swamp Creatures,
    Is Headed to Jail

    http://tinyurl.com/ya47se7d

    WASHINGTON – "I thought about this long and hard, Mr. Manafort. I have no appetite for this."

    In an overflow room at the D.C. federal courthouse in the shadow of the Capitol, the voice of Judge Amy Berman Jackson came through reedy and distant from the ceiling speakers. But her decision was unequivocal. Paul Manafort, the
    former chairman of
    Donald Trump's presidential campaign and the disgraced king of Washington's lobbying industry, had violated the terms of his house arrest. He was going to jail.

    Manafort is the first ex-Trump campaign aide to be jailed as part of Special Counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into the campaign and its interactions with Russian officials. Mueller has also secured guilty pleas from five others and indicted 17
    Russian individuals and organizations as part of his investigation.

    Manafort, who is 69, faces charges of money laundering, failing to register as
    a foreign lobbyist, conspiracy against the U.S. and bank fraud, among other allegations. But Friday's hearing concerned a more recent allegation: that Manafort and an
    associate from his overseas consulting work had obstructed justice by engaging in
    witness tampering, contacting potential witnesses by phone and an encrypted messaging app.

    In court, Mueller's prosecutors argued that Manafort, by contacting would-be witnesses, had violated the terms of his release and should go to jail. Manafort's lawyers, for their part, mounted a spirited if unconvincing (and sometimes laughable) defense
    on behalf of their client. They said Manafort's outreach to two potential witnesses, identified in court as D1 and D2, did not amount to witness tampering – that, yes, he had reached out to them but not for the purpose of swaying them in his favor. Manafort's lawyers said that his use of WhatsApp, the encrypted messaging
    service, meant nothing about the purpose or intent of the messages he sent. The lawyer noted, to snickers, that WhatsApp was something his children used.

    Judge Jackson struck a sympathetic if exasperated tone as she spoke about Manafort and his actions over the course of Friday's hearing. She walked the courtroom through the nuances of the Bail Reform Act, questioned the government's and Manafort's
    attorneys with equal rigor and weighed aloud whether Manafort – if allowed to
    remain
    free on bail – posed a threat to any individuals or to the broader community.

    After a short break, Jackson returned and gave her decision. She strained to think of any way, she said, to protect against Manafort contacting more witnesses if allowed to remain at home. "This is not middle school," she said. "I can't take his cell
    phone." Manafort's actions, his untrustworthiness, she said, left her no choice:
    Manafort had to go to jail until his trial dates.

    ***

    Reality: Sleaze-king's former campaign manager goes to jail.

    Now you're grasping at straws. This guy is in jail due to financial
    crimes which have nothing to do with Trump and his lies about his representations of not only Russians, but Ukrainians.

    What has any of this to do with North Korea and Trump? You're
    introducing a red herring.



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  • From thang ornerythinchus@1:229/2 to intraphase@gmail.com on Thursday, June 21, 2018 15:38:50
    From: thangolossus@gmail.com

    On Fri, 15 Jun 2018 11:08:42 -0700 (PDT), LowRider44M
    <intraphase@gmail.com> wrote:




    Meme Pix >https://i.redditmedia.com/oyi-2wxVkdTRCNhECh9s9mmyHpODQjc66REnANd8ElI.jpg?fit=crop&crop=faces%2Centropy&arh=2&w=640&s=9ec629ee5613d7fc8fec06583f7fb029


    LOL!!!

    Couldn't have said it better myself :)

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