* Originally in Z1C
* Crossposted in Z1_ELECTION

Hello everybody!

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28-Apr-2018 ZONE 1 COORDINATOR (Z1C) ELECTION RULES

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RULES FOR CONDUCT OF THE Z1C ELECTION, 2018

* Schedule:

May 07 - May 20 Nominations accepted.
Discussion begins.
May 20 - Nominations END at 23:59:59 UTC.
May 21 - Final list of candidates posted in Z1_ELECTION.
Discussion continues.
May 27 - Discussion ends. Candidates stop campaigning.
May 28 - Voting begins.
Jun 10 - Voting ends at 23:59:59 UTC.
Jun 11 - Results posted in Z1_ELECTION.
Jun 11 - Jun 24 Opportunity to yell fowl and fix errors.
Jun 25 - Final results announced.
Jun 25 - Jun 28 Turnover from outgoing ZC to winning candidate.
Jun 29 - New ZC appears in the nodelist and begins work.

* Position to be Elected:

The election is for the position of Zone 1 Coordinator (Z1C). The
responsibilities of the Z1C include but are not limited to:

-- To compile the nodelists from all of the regions in the zone, and create
the master nodelist and difference file.

-- To represent Zone 1 on the Zone Coordinator Council.

-- See Policy 4 for further details.

* Voter Eligibility:

The eligible list is based on the Zone 1 segment of the FidoNet NodeList
published on Friday, May 4, 2018 (Day 124.)

Each sysop has one vote, regardless of how many nodes s/he operates.

Nodes with more than one sysop get only one vote.

Nodes marked 'Down' are not eligible to vote.

* Nominations, Candidates:

Nominations will be placed in the Z1_ELECTION echo conference. To be
a candidate, a FidoNet sysop must be seconded by another FidoNet
sysop. In addition, due to the technical nature of the position,
current or previous *C experience is required. An individual may not
nominate himself or second himself. Nominations, seconds, and
acceptances MUST be confirmed via netmail to the Enforcer at 1:128/2
BEFORE the close of the nomination period.

* Election:

At the close of balloting, the Enforcer will send all ballots to the
Verifier to verify the results, and a summary of the results will be
posted in Z1_ELECTION.

The Enforcer will not disclose any node's vote to any other node, except
for the Verifier.

In the event only there is only one candidate properly nominated
s/he will become the new Zone 1 Coordinator, effective May 25, 2018.

* Comments by the Candidates:

Comments by Z1C candidates are to be posted in Z1_ELECTION no later than
23:59:59 UTC on May 27. After that, they must STOP campaigning in
Z1_ELECTION until the voting period ends. All discussion will take place
in Z1_ELECTION.

* Who Wins?

The winner will be determined as the candidate receiving more than half
of the number of valid votes, otherwise known as an absolute majority.

* Challenges, Election Results:

The results may be challenged by sending netmail to the Enforcer at
1:128/2. It must be received before 23:59:59 UTC on Jun 24, 2018. No
complaints or contested votes will be considered if received late.

If the election is declared invalid, a new election shall begin as
soon as possible, within 14 days of the previous election being declared
invalid.

* How to SEND your vote:

ALL BALLOTS MUST BE NETMAIL ADDRESSED TO 'Enforcer' at 1:128/2.

You can route your ballot if you choose, but if you value your privacy
and want to ensure arrival, you should send it directly to <address>.
Return receipts will be sent via direct or routed netmail. Those return
receipts will contain NO information except that a vote was received from
your node.

* HOW TO VOTE:

- Write a a NETMail message addressed to 'Enforcer' at 1:128/2.

- Subject line doesn't matter.

- Write the name of the valid candidate you want to vote for in the body
of the message. A final list of valid candidates will be posted on
May 21 in Z1_ELECTION. Write-in candidates are not allowed.

- Make up a password of ten (10) characters or less, and put that in the
body of the message too.

NOTE: Your password will be displayed (case insensitive) with your
choice in Z1_ELECTION so you can know that your ballot was counted
correctly.
In addition, votes received that do not meet ALL of the above conditions
will not be counted until corrected by the voter.

* SAMPLE BALLOT:

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
| Date: May 28 2018 11:09 |
| From: Joe Sysop, 1:320/999 |
| To: Enforcer, 1:128/2 |
| Subj: My vote |
| -------------------------------------------- |
| <Candidate's Name> |
| |
| My password is Hoochie |
| |
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

When your vote is received, it will NOT be machine-processed. Don't poll
to pick up a receipt. The Enforcer will send a direct or routed netmail
receipt to you confirming that he received a ballot but there will be no
other information in the receipt.

To ensure that your vote was counted properly, you may check the periodic
posting of passwords/candidates in Z1_ELECTION.

Thank you to Phil Kimble (1:128/2) for agreeing to serve as the Enforcer,
and Fred Riccio (1:132/174) for agreeing to serve as the Verifier.

* That's it. Enjoy the election!
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Anyone with any questions regarding the election should direct them to Phil Kimble in Z1_ELECTION or via NetMail to Phil at 1:128/2.

Andrew

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Re: IMPORTANT: Zone 1 Coordinator Election Rules
By: Andrew Leary to All on Mon Apr 30 2018 04:23 pm

Hello Andrew,

I just had an exchange with someone from Z2 ...

Has there been an announcement in Fidonews and/or Fidogazette that explains what is happening in Z1?

Here in Z1 we can participate here in this area but those in other zones are in the dark (at least they should be) since this area is only available in Z1.

Of course it needs to be that way.

Actually there was an announcement in the Fido Gazette area that pointed folks to the Z1C or Z1_ELECTION areas.. to folks in other zones that's like an iron curtain.

So what I'm wondering / hoping for is that the info about the election, the schedule maybe, can be posted so those in other zones don't feel left out or uninformed.

Ttyl :-),
Al


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Hello Alan,

12 May 18 04:43 at you wrote to Andrew Leary:

So what I'm wondering / hoping for is that the info about the
election, the schedule maybe, can be posted so those in other zones
don't feel left out or uninformed.

They're just mad because they can't stick their noses into our zone election...which has nothing do to with them. In the past 22 years I've been in Fidonet, I've never heard anything about any other zone election...and nor do I care. They're being busybodies which is the one thing they're good at.

Later,
Sean

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Re: IMPORTANT: Zone 1 Coordinator Election Rules
By: Sean Dennis to Alan Ianson on Sat May 12 2018 11:54 am

So what I'm wondering / hoping for is that the info about the
election, the schedule maybe, can be posted so those in other zones
don't feel left out or uninformed.

They're just mad because they can't stick their noses into our zone election...which has nothing do to with them.

That's true, we don't need outside influences.

In the past 22 years I've been in Fidonet, I've never heard anything about any other zone election...and nor do I care. They're being busybodies which is the one thing they're good at.

I am actually quite surprised (pleasantly) the we are having an election that the nodes of Z1 have a say in.

I do hope that the coordinator will post something informational for all of fidonet, just so all nodes know that there will soon be a new ZC. It's probably better if we don't mention echoes like Z1C or Z1_ELECTION that they can't read.

Ttyl :-),
Al


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Hi Alan -- on May 12 2018 at 17:30, you wrote:

I do hope that the coordinator will post something informational for
all of fidonet, just so all nodes know that there will soon be a new
ZC. It's probably better if we don't mention echoes like Z1C or
Z1_ELECTION that they can't read.

I don't see any reason to "notify" other zones of our plans. A simple statment post-election is all that's needed. Having said that, it wouldn't surprise me if the ZC Council has been informed! :-)


Cheers... Dallas

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Re: IMPORTANT: Zone 1 Coordinator Election Rules
By: Dallas Hinton to Alan Ianson on Sat May 12 2018 06:12 pm

I don't see any reason to "notify" other zones of our plans. A simple statment post-election is all that's needed. Having said that, it wouldn't surprise me if the ZC Council has been informed! :-)

I don't think there is a reason to either.

I does concern me though that some seem to think we are "doing something" in Z1C or Z1_ELECTION. I'm not sure if a posting or article would alleviate that anyway, so maybe it's best just left alone.

Ttyl :-),
Al


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Hey Dallas!

it wouldn't surprise me if the ZC Council has been informed! :-)

Please define "informed". ;-)

I agree with Alan that informing others who are not included as to what Zone 1 is up to is more than likely a good idea. Only the votes should be secret and not the process.

Life is good,
Maurice

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Hi Maurice -- on May 13 2018 at 01:47, you wrote:

it wouldn't surprise me if the ZC Council has been informed! :-)

Please define "informed". ;-)

Janis is a member of the council, is are all ZCs. I suspect that Janis has told
them she's stepping down.

I agree with Alan that informing others who are not included as to
what Zone 1 is up to is more than likely a good idea. Only the
votes should be secret and not the process.

How often do we hear what other zones are doing re elections/decisions that affect only their own zone? If their ZC has been informed, then it's up to that
ZC to decide what tell their RCs, NCs, and Sysops.




Cheers... Dallas

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Alan Ianson wrote to Bill McGarrity on 05-13-18 16:49 <=-

Re: IMPORTANT: Zone 1 Coordinator Election Rules
By: Bill McGarrity to Alan Ianson on Sun May 13 2018 11:41 am

Al, Michiel is like the old Italian woman who sits by her window looking out to see what's going on so she can be the center of the gossip news. His explaination of having an "outside regulatory commission" so things run smoothly is laughable.

I have just been pondering a reply and wondering if I should reply.

He brings up that age old trust issue between zones, at least zone 1
and 2. Life for the new Z1C would be easier if there could be trust
there.

There is trust and that trust should be between Janis and Ward. Just as the new Z1C should only deal with Ward or whoever the Z2C is at the time.

Michiel just wants to stick his nose into shit where it doesn't belong so he can use it at a later date.


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Hey Dallas!

I suspect that Janis has told them she's stepping down.

Ah! That kind of informed. I was hoping for something measured by a higher bar. :::sigh:::

How often do we hear what other zones are doing re
elections/decisions that affect only their own zone?

If by we you mean me then never. However I can say the same about this zone. This is the first time in decades of Fidonetting I have taken part in a zonal activity such as this. I was under the impression that it was to be a good thing. Was I misinformed? :::evil grin:::

If their ZC has been informed, then it's up to that ZC to decide
what tell their RCs, NCs, and Sysops.

Speaking as a sysop of this zone, this is a first. I am hoping it is a sign of
better things to come. How about you?

Life is good,
Maurice

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Hi Dallas,

it wouldn't surprise me if the ZC Council has been informed! :-)

Please define "informed". ;-)

Janis is a member of the council, is are all ZCs. I suspect that Janis has tol
them she's stepping down.

Yes, the same exact day that I posted in Z1C (April 23 IIRC), I also posted the
same message in the ZCC echo with a comment at the top of something like: "heads up, boys".. <grin>.. Ward immediately contacted me since this came out of the "blue" so to speak. He sent me a great message, btw.. one of many that followed.

Take care,
Janis

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Hi Maurice -- on May 13 2018 at 03:49, you wrote:

If by we you mean me then never. However I can say the same about
this zone. This is the first time in decades of Fidonetting I have
taken part in a zonal activity such as this. I was under the
impression that it was to be a good thing. Was I misinformed?
:::evil grin:::

Well, I hope it will be a good thing!

Speaking as a sysop of this zone, this is a first. I am hoping it
is a sign of better things to come. How about you?

Things can always get better. Of course, they can always get worse, too!

Entropy sucks. :-)


Cheers... Dallas

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Hey Dallas!

Well, I hope it will be a good thing!

I'd say that this is our opportunity to shine. At the very least we can claim bragging rights which if exersized would involve informing the other zones of what we're up to and how it's done. Else why bother?

Entropy sucks. :-)

Leave that for AFTER the election.

Kids these days. :::sigh:::

Life is good,
Maurice

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Hey Carol!

Maurice, I can send a note to the 'snoose' on it? Thats the
normal thing to do.

That would be a good start. However I am wondering aloud if we can raise the bar even higher. After all this doesn't ever happen and to not take the opportunity to at least brag about it would be a terrible thing to waste. No?

It would be very interesting to hear others ideas they may have to exploit this
particular opportunity. So far only Alan seems to have recognized that there indeed is an opportunity and I for one am happy to recognize his foresight and openly and willingly support it. This *should* be a proud day for the Fidonet cause and ALL nodelisted sysops should be proud to call themselves a nodelisted
sysop no matter what zone they belong to.

I say let us show them the way.

Life is good,
Maurice

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Alan Ianson wrote to Dallas Hinton on 05-12-18 18:47 <=-

Re: IMPORTANT: Zone 1 Coordinator Election Rules
By: Dallas Hinton to Alan Ianson on Sat May 12 2018 06:12 pm

I don't see any reason to "notify" other zones of our plans. A simple statment post-election is all that's needed. Having said that, it wouldn't surprise me if the ZC Council has been informed! :-)

I don't think there is a reason to either.

I does concern me though that some seem to think we are "doing
something" in Z1C or Z1_ELECTION. I'm not sure if a posting or article would alleviate that anyway, so maybe it's best just left alone.

Al, Michiel is like the old Italian woman who sits by her window looking out to see what's going on so she can be the center of the gossip news. His explaination of having an "outside regulatory commission" so things run smoothly is laughable.


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Re: IMPORTANT: Zone 1 Coordinator Election Rules
By: Bill McGarrity to Alan Ianson on Sun May 13 2018 11:41 am

Al, Michiel is like the old Italian woman who sits by her window looking out to see what's going on so she can be the center of the gossip news. His explaination of having an "outside regulatory commission" so things run smoothly is laughable.

I have just been pondering a reply and wondering if I should reply.

He brings up that age old trust issue between zones, at least zone 1 and 2. Life for the new Z1C would be easier if there could be trust there.

Ttyl :-),
Al


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