Re: As per my previous message...
By: Kurt Weiske to Mike Miller on Fri Jun 01 2018 01:18 pm

Sounds like the claim of interference was invalid and poorly handled. Where do we go from here?

Vote on but we need to see if due to this confusion, we need to push the due date back 2 days.

I motion that the due date shift out 2 days to accomodate the hickup.
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On 31 May 18 21:41:08, Marc Lewis said the following to Carol Shenkenberger:

Sorry. On a serious note, I see nothing that derails the election. It's not like folks outside Z1 were voting.

Precisely. Interesting how something as a simple election between 2 candidates can turn into a royal crock of s**t. Disgusting.

I agree wholeheartedly.

Nick

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Hello Carol!

31 May 18 20:40, you wrote to Nick Andre:

Sorry. On a serious note, I see nothing that derails the election.
It's not like folks outside Z1 were voting.

I'm concerned about this interaction though, such accusations without proof very well could serve to influence voters.

I honestly don't see why Ward sent those netmails either other than to stir up
shit. Under the guise of "helping" ? He's leaning back and smiling, while reading this echo from <wherever, who cares?>, laughing as fingers are pointed.
He's getting exactly what he wanted.


The real interference here is Phil's post, which never should have been made publicly in the first place, at least not without real evidence to back up such
an accusation. I'm a bit disturbed that a single netmail can manipulate someone
who is supposed to be impartial into making such a post that could be potentially damaging to someone's campaign.



Mike


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Hello Nick!

31 May 18 20:58, you wrote to Carol Shenkenberger:

On 31 May 18 20:40:58, Carol Shenkenberger said the following to Nick Andre:

I could accuse you of being a closeted transexual nazi eskimo satan
Streisand worshipper... please prove to me that you're not or you
are a disqualified voter? 8-)

Snicker! Better warn you Maurice and I go way back. He'll have a
funny answer! Probably deliver in falsetto!

Streisand is a prevailer of some of the most horrific cacophony known
to man.

I would rather listen to Yoko Ono. Or put up with Fran Drescher for 8 hours.

WOAH! WOAH! WOAH! Come on... Fran Dreshcher? Strisand nor Yoko Ono's ululations don't even compare to the beastly vocalizations she produces.



Mike


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Re: As per my previous message...
By: Mike Miller to Carol Shenkenberger on Fri Jun 01 2018 09:46 am

The real interference here is Phil's post, which never should have been made publicly in the first place, at least not without real evidence to back up such an accusation. I'm a bit disturbed that a single netmail can manipulate someone who is supposed to be impartial into making such a post that could be potentially damaging to someone's campaign.

Agreed.

So, it looks like Nick routed netmail as was his agreement and in complete alignment with net operations. He does not monitor in-transit email and
has clarified his stance with regards to echomail and other zones.

Sounds like the claim of interference was invalid and poorly handled. Where do we go from here?
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On 01 Jun 18 10:10:43, Mike Miller said the following to Nick Andre:

I would rather listen to Yoko Ono. Or put up with Fran Drescher for 8 hours.

WOAH! WOAH! WOAH! Come on... Fran Dreshcher? Strisand nor Yoko Ono's ululations don't even compare to the beastly vocalizations she produces.

Meh... maybe its her accent that makes the prospect of 8 hours tolerable in comparison to the others.

Nick

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On Friday June 01, 2018, Nick Andre said to Marc Lewis...

Sorry. On a serious note, I see nothing that derails the

election.

It's not like folks outside Z1 were voting. Precisely.

Interesting how something as a simple election between 2 candidates
can turn into a royal crock of s**t. Disgusting.

I agree wholeheartedly.

Nothing, besides the shinking nodelist, has changed in years. It's sad actually.

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On Fri Jun-01-2018 14:55, Nick Andre (1:229/426) wrote to Mike Miller:

On 01 Jun 18 10:10:43, Mike Miller said the following to Nick
Andre:

I would rather listen to Yoko Ono. Or put up with Fran
Drescher for 8
hours.

WOAH! WOAH! WOAH! Come on... Fran Dreshcher? Strisand nor Yoko Ono's ululations don't even compare to the beastly vocalizations she produces.

Meh... maybe its her accent that makes the prospect of 8 hours
tolerable in comparison to the others.

Dreshcher does have a nice figure; Streisand can act (I've seen it) and her rendition of the song "Memories" from the stage play "CATS" was in my top 5 of female singers in that play of that song. Ono should be locked in a room and have to listen to Slim Whitman's "Indian Love Call" being piped into that room 24/7. (-:


Regards,

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... I believe that this election should be fair and "open".

The reason this is a "One Sysop One Vote" election, is really because that is what Janis wanted, and we all respected her enough to conduct the election in that manner. I do agree and believe that every Sysop should have a say in elections no matter if its for a NC... or for a ZC.

However, I will politely point out to everyone, Phil, Fred etc that as per the mutually agreed upon rules:

Jun 11 - Jun 24 Opportunity to yell fowl and fix errors.

Therefore, there is a clear window of opportunity for everyone to call this an illicit, invalid election based on an accusation that someone "doesn't
like me" for whatever reason, making up an unsubstantiated claim about feeding to outside Zone 1. I politely challenge anyone to prove I'm doing this.

Again... as per the rules:

May 07 - May 20 Nominations accepted.
Discussion begins.
May 20 - Nominations END at 23:59:59 UTC.
May 21 - Final list of candidates posted in Z1_ELECTION.
Discussion continues.
May 27 - Discussion ends. Candidates stop campaigning.

So, plenty of time has elapsed and surpassed to call "fowl" right from the beginning, if someone out there thinks I'm taking orders from Belgium then everyone could of screamed murder and thats that.

The other reason that this election could be declared invalid, is for has been pointed out, that technically this is going against P4... in that the RC's are to handle this whole ordeal.

While it could be argued that some parts of P4 are outdated, what cannot be argued or debated is that whoever is elected as Z1C will be taking an absolute insurmountable amount of shit from not just the Z2C, but all other systems in the whole network who are egotistic, nodelist-obsessed, policy-obsessed, etc... people with real mental disorders, harassing the Z1C day and night.

For anyone who has not yet cast votes, I ask you that question, who do you think is more capable of not taking shit from others upon being elected.

Now: If anyone out there wants to call this election invalid for these
reasons, or wants to clearly disqualify me from the election *with proof*, then lets do so now, and not wait any further.

I'm not here to waste anyones time and don't want anyone wasting mine either.

Thoughts everyone?

Nick

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Hey Nick!

Thoughts everyone?

I agree with your assessment. Also I had to wonder why this was brought up now
without any evidence. If there is any evidence of foul as it currently stands then it would be the postings "MSGID: 1:128/2 5b0ff8f6" and "MSGID: 1:128/2 5b0ff8f8". The timing is extremely suspect.

So far the only evidence of interference in the election process has been the previously mentioned posting from Phil Kimble.

Life is good,
Maurice

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Nick Andre wrote to All on 05-31-18 18:03 <=-

... I believe that this election should be fair and "open".

The reason this is a "One Sysop One Vote" election, is really because
that is what Janis wanted, and we all respected her enough to conduct
the election in that manner. I do agree and believe that every Sysop should have a say in elections no matter if its for a NC... or for a
ZC.

However, I will politely point out to everyone, Phil, Fred etc that as
per the mutually agreed upon rules:

Jun 11 - Jun 24 Opportunity to yell fowl and fix errors.

Therefore, there is a clear window of opportunity for everyone to call this an illicit, invalid election based on an accusation that someone "doesn't like me" for whatever reason, making up an unsubstantiated
claim about feeding to outside Zone 1. I politely challenge anyone to prove I'm doing this.

Has someone publically accused you of this and if so, why? I belong to the Fidoweb and am directly connected to a node in Z2. Naturally, I've done due dilligence to keep all Zone, Region and Net echo access blocked within this zone. I am sure, hopefully, everyone else would follow the same template.

Again... as per the rules:

May 07 - May 20 Nominations accepted.
Discussion begins.
May 20 - Nominations END at 23:59:59 UTC.
May 21 - Final list of candidates posted in Z1_ELECTION.
Discussion continues.
May 27 - Discussion ends. Candidates stop campaigning.

So, plenty of time has elapsed and surpassed to call "fowl" right from
the beginning, if someone out there thinks I'm taking orders from
Belgium then everyone could of screamed murder and thats that.

The other reason that this election could be declared invalid, is for
has been pointed out, that technically this is going against P4... in
that the RC's are to handle this whole ordeal.

RC's can still handle the "ordeal". Yes, nodes can vote and there will be a winner one way or the other as per the "popular" vote. Once that is done, the RC's can finalize the vote. We're not sending someone to the moon ffs. P4 has it's place but for the past 20+ years I've been involved with Fido (hiatis for 12 years), each zone has it's own "way". No need to reinvent the wheel. The natural flow of this election is going quite well. Once Phil and Fred have confirmed the vote totals, give it to the RC's first. I am sure they'll concur with the populist vote.

While it could be argued that some parts of P4 are outdated, what
cannot be argued or debated is that whoever is elected as Z1C will be taking an absolute insurmountable amount of shit from not just the Z2C, but all other systems in the whole network who are egotistic, nodelist-obsessed, policy-obsessed, etc... people with real mental disorders, harassing the Z1C day and night.

I am sure both you and Dallas understand the meaning of "F*ck off". Problem solved.

For anyone who has not yet cast votes, I ask you that question, who do
you think is more capable of not taking shit from others upon being elected.

Now: If anyone out there wants to call this election invalid for these reasons, or wants to clearly disqualify me from the election *with
proof*, then lets do so now, and not wait any further.

I'm not here to waste anyones time and don't want anyone wasting mine either.

Thoughts everyone?

I think I stated mine quite clearly..

Thanks..


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On 31 May 18 22:32:45, Maurice Kinal said the following to Nick Andre:

I agree with your assessment. Also I had to wonder why this was brought up now without any evidence. If there is any evidence of foul as it currently stands then it would be the postings "MSGID: 1:128/2 5b0ff8f6" and "MSGID: 1:128/2 5b0ff8f8". The timing is extremely suspect.

Exactly... thank you. Plenty of time to voice objections... not so much time between those MSGID lines.

I could accuse you of being a closeted transexual nazi eskimo satan
Streisand worshipper... please prove to me that you're not or you are a disqualified voter? 8-)

Nick

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On 31 May 18 18:58:00, Bill Mcgarrity said the following to Nick Andre:

Has someone publically accused you of this and if so, why? I belong to the Fidoweb and am directly connected to a node in Z2. Naturally, I've done due dilligence to keep all Zone, Region and Net echo access blocked within this zone. I am sure, hopefully, everyone else would follow the same template.

The only accusation has been what Phil has just posted.

I am sure both you and Dallas understand the meaning of "F*ck off". Problem solved.

Exactly.

Nick

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Hey Nick!

I could accuse you of being a closeted transexual nazi eskimo
satan Streisand worshipper...

I object to eskimo. From my limited understanding there is no such thing.

Life is good,
Maurice

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Re: Re: As per my previous message...
By: Nick Andre to Maurice Kinal on Thu May 31 2018 07:26 pm

I could accuse you of being a closeted transexual nazi eskimo satan Streisand worshipper... please prove to me that you're not or you are a disqualified voter? 8-)

Snicker! Better warn you Maurice and I go way back. He'll have a funny answer! Probably deliver in falsetto!

Sorry. On a serious note, I see nothing that derails the election. It's not like folks outside Z1 were voting.

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On 31 May 18 20:40:58, Carol Shenkenberger said the following to Nick Andre:

I could accuse you of being a closeted transexual nazi eskimo satan Streisand worshipper... please prove to me that you're not or you are a disqualified voter? 8-)

Snicker! Better warn you Maurice and I go way back. He'll have a funny answer! Probably deliver in falsetto!

Streisand is a prevailer of some of the most horrific cacophony known to man.

I would rather listen to Yoko Ono. Or put up with Fran Drescher for 8 hours.

Nick

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On 31 May 18 20:40:58, Carol Shenkenberger said the following to Nick Andre:

Snicker! Better warn you Maurice and I go way back. He'll have a funny answer! Probably deliver in falsetto!

Sorry. On a serious note, I see nothing that derails the election. It's n like folks outside Z1 were voting.

Me neither Carol. We did not exactly have a good turn-out for this election. To disqualify a candidate at this point I think would sour things further.

Nick

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Hello Carol.

<On 31May2018 20:40 Carol Shenkenberger (1:275/100) wrote a message to Nick Andre regarding Re: As per my previous message... >

[snip]

Sorry. On a serious note, I see nothing that derails the election.
It's not like folks outside Z1 were voting.

Precisely. Interesting how something as a simple election between 2 candidates
can turn into a royal crock of s**t. Disgusting.

Best regards,
Marc

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Hello Mike,

01 Jun 18 10:10 at you wrote to Nick Andre:

WOAH! WOAH! WOAH! Come on... Fran Dreshcher? Strisand nor Yoko
Ono's ululations don't even compare to the beastly vocalizations she produces.

My friend does this hilarious "Fran Drescher having an orgasm" imitation.

It's even funnier when she does it in public at random. :D

Later,
Sean

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On 2018 May 31 18:58:00, you wrote to Nick Andre:

Has someone publically accused you of this and if so, why?

did you not see BF's posts about phil's routed netmails containing seenby lines??? that tells everyone that BF is at least reading netmails passing through his system...

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Re: As per my previous message...
By: mark lewis to Bill McGarrity on Sun Jun 03 2018 04:03 am

Has someone publically accused you of this and if so, why?

did you not see BF's posts about phil's routed netmails containing seenby lines??? that tells everyone that BF is at least reading netmails passing through his system...

Umm, via paths Mark. I know, early on it sounded like an echomail leak because 'seen-bys' were mentioned but now apparently (if I have it straight) it was routed netmail from Z2 or a return answer that seems to have caused the controversy.

He's the author of a primary mailer. Of course he gets and sends lots of netmail. It's like Janis probably has exchanged several with Z2 members during this timeframe as well. I'm about to start a netmail with Bjorn. I'm looking for something for Fred Riccio that I wrote so we can update it and submit. (A best practices for nodelisting ION's).

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mark lewis wrote to Bill McGarrity on 06-03-18 04:03 <=-

On 2018 May 31 18:58:00, you wrote to Nick Andre:

Has someone publically accused you of this and if so, why?

did you not see BF's posts about phil's routed netmails containing
seenby lines??? that tells everyone that BF is at least reading
netmails passing through his system...

That's not a good thing but somehow seenby and via became interchangable. Now I didn't see the post BF was quoting but I did see the one that accused Nick which, IMHO, was totally uncalled for. The kludge lines clearly showed the from and to addresses. Who really cares what the VIA line said.


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