Hi, all!

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.... In fact, you'll write to her afterward and tell her your evening wouldn't have been the same without her amazing work. You will even invite her over for tea.
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Please tell me about the difference between "invite her for tea" and "invite her over for tea". ;-)

Bye, all!
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On 2018 Nov 07 09:15:44, you wrote to All:

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.... In fact, you'll write to her afterward and tell her your evening wouldn't have been the same without her amazing work. You will even invite her over for tea.
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Please tell me about the difference between "invite her for tea" and "invite her over for tea". ;-)

none, really...

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Please tell me about the difference between "invite her for tea" and "invite >her over for tea". ;-)

I would consider "invite her over for tea" as being more formal but,
otherwise, I do not think there is a difference.

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Hi, Mark Lewis!
I read your message from 07.11.2018 19:55

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.... In fact, you'll write to her afterward and tell her your
evening wouldn't have been the same without her amazing work. You
will even invite her over for tea.
----- The end of the citation -----

Please tell me about the difference between "invite her for tea"
and "invite her over for tea". ;-)

none, really...

Although, I always thought that every word means something. ;-) Probably I could also say "invite her up for tea" or "invite her down for tea" or "invite her in for tea" ;=)

Bye, Mark!
Alexander Koryagin
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On 2018 Nov 09 13:19:22, you wrote to me:

Please tell me about the difference between "invite her for tea" and
"invite her over for tea". ;-)

none, really...

Although, I always thought that every word means something. ;-)
Probably I could also say "invite her up for tea" or "invite her down
for tea" or "invite her in for tea" ;=)

this is true... english is a ""bit"" more verbose than other languages... the additional word, in this case, clarifies things a little more than the bare phrase... you could clarify even more by saying

invite her for tea on sunday.
invite her over to the club for tea.
invite her to the club for tea on sunday.

or similar... the additions just clarify more in most cases that i can think of...

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Hi, Alexander! Awhile ago you wrote in a message to All:

-----Beginning of the citation-----
.... In fact, you'll write to her afterward and tell her
your evening wouldn't have been the same without her
amazing work. You will even invite her over for tea.
----- The end of the citation -----

Please tell me about the difference between "invite her
for tea" and "invite her over for tea". ;-)

Sometimes people say things like "We must have the Browns over for dinner [or whatever]"... by which they mean they're thinking of inviting Mr. & Mrs. Brown to join them for dinner [or whatever] at home. Without "over", the location isn't specified but the net result may be the same.


People also use "over" in e.g. telephone conversations to refer to their home &/or to the home of a friend or relative who lives nearby.

Person A: May I borrow a cup of sugar?
Person B: Sure... come on over.

Person C: My car won't start. I think the battery is dead.
Person D: I'll be right over with my truck & jumper cables.


WRT your example the plot thickens. There appears to be a budding romance taking shape. Is Our Hero thinking about what to do next & reassuring himself that it was meant to be or is a friend saying "Hey, Jude, don't be too shy to let her how you feel about her. Maybe she feels the same way but she's waiting for you to make the first move."? And is he thinking of inviting this gal to visit his bachelor pad without a chaperone? If so, I reckon her family could have misgivings even if it's common practice in Hollywood nowadays. ;-)




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Hi, Mark! Awhile ago you wrote in a message to Alexander Koryagin:

I always thought that every word means something. ;-)

Ideally, yes... but I understand George Bernard Shaw apologized for writing a long letter on some occasion when (as he put it) he didn't have time to write a shorter one. I can also see that if we're talking about having the Browns for dinner we may need to make it clear we don't plan to eat them. :-)

Probably I could also say "invite her up for tea" or
"invite her down for tea" or "invite her in for tea" ;=)

this is true... english is a ""bit"" more verbose
than other languages...

Depends on what other languages one is comparing it to, I think. I gather you speak at least one or two I don't. As a Canadian, OTOH, I see many things written in both English & French where the French version occupies more bandwidth because the words are often longer & there are more of them.... ;-)

the additional word, in this case, clarifies things a
little more than the bare phrase... you could clarify
even more by saying

invite her for tea on sunday.
invite her over to the club for tea.
invite her to the club for tea on sunday.

or similar... the additions just clarify more in most
cases that i can think of...

Yes, I can see inviting a person up or down if they live on another floor of the same building or someone has to climb a hill. I can also see how if the club is like a second home to someone they might say "over to the club" ... which in most such cases I know is not very far away from where they live. And if a friend appeared unexpectedly at my door, I might invite them to "come (on) in". While some of the adverbs in the above examples may not be strictly necessary they add clues about the geography &/or the level of formality. :-)




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On 2018 Dec 06 13:56:20, you wrote to me:

I always thought that every word means something. ;-)

Ideally, yes... but I understand George Bernard Shaw apologized for writing a long letter on some occasion when (as he put it) he didn't
have time to write a shorter one.

that's always a good one :)

I can also see that if we're talking about having the Browns for
dinner we may need to make it clear we don't plan to eat them. :-)

"Respectfully submitted for your perusal - a Kanamit. Height: a little over nine feet. Weight: in the neighborhood of three hundred and fifty pounds. Origin: unknown. Motives? Therein hangs the tale, for in just a moment, we're going to ask you to shake hands, figuratively, with a Christopher Columbus from
another galaxy and another time. This is the Twilight Zone." - /To Serve Man/

Probably I could also say "invite her up for tea" or "invite her
down for tea" or "invite her in for tea" ;=)

this is true... english is a ""bit"" more verbose than other
languages...

Depends on what other languages one is comparing it to, I think.

true...

I gather you speak at least one or two I don't.

i used to speak Turkish (1st) and Japanese (2nd) but haven't since i was maybe 5 years old...

As a Canadian, OTOH, I see many things written in both English &
French where the French version occupies more bandwidth because the
words are often longer & there are more of them.... ;-)

true... german is similar as well in that they put words together to make a new
one... at least, that's the way i understand some of what i've seen and how it has translated...

the additional word, in this case, clarifies things a
little more than the bare phrase... you could clarify
even more by saying

invite her for tea on sunday.
invite her over to the club for tea.
invite her to the club for tea on sunday.

or similar... the additions just clarify more in most
cases that i can think of...

Yes, I can see inviting a person up or down if they live on another
floor of the same building or someone has to climb a hill. I can also
see how if the club is like a second home to someone they might say
"over to the club" ... which in most such cases I know is not very far away from where they live. And if a friend appeared unexpectedly at my door, I might invite them to "come (on) in". While some of the
adverbs in the above examples may not be strictly necessary they add
clues about the geography &/or the level of formality. :-)

yep... and then you get things like...

i'm going to unthaw some chicken for dinner.
hurry and finish washing up the dishes.

and similar... "unthaw" is the wrong word... should be "thaw" or "unfreeze"... "up" is not needed in the second one at all... can you "wash down", too? ;)

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Hi, Mark! Awhile ago you wrote in a message to Ardith Hinton:

I can also see that if we're talking about having the
Browns for dinner we may need to make it clear we don't
plan to eat them. :-)

"Respectfully submitted for your perusal - a Kanamit.
Height: a little over nine feet. Weight: in the
neighborhood of three hundred and fifty pounds. Origin:
unknown. Motives? Therein hangs the tale, for in just a
moment, we're going to ask you to shake hands, figuratively,
with a Christopher Columbus from another galaxy and another
time. This is the Twilight Zone." - /To Serve Man/

Thereby hangs a tale indeed. When Columbus landed in North America,
or so historians now tell us, many of the natives headed for the hills... while
many of the others were either taken to Europe as slaves or expected to produce
gold in larger quantities than they could supply. Sooner or later he'd have to
admit he hadn't found India or China... but he needed to persuade his financial
backers he'd found something equally profitable. I wonder what a Kanamit might
want from me, and I think it unlikely I could outrun him or her.... :-))

i used to speak Turkish (1st) and Japanese (2nd) but
haven't since i was maybe 5 years old...

An interesting combination! I studied French & Latin in high school ... and I'm glad I did... but I'm also out of practice now. :-)

As a Canadian, OTOH, I see many things written in both
English & French where the French version occupies more
bandwidth because the words are often longer & there are
more of them.... ;-)

true... german is similar as well in that they put words
together to make a new one... at least, that's the way i
understand some of what i've seen and how it has translated...

Yes, that's my understanding. I have a knife made in Germany, e.g.,
which has the word "rostfrei" on the blade. I'd interpret this word as meaning
literally "rust free" because the knife is clearly made of stainless steel. In
English we often put nouns together like freight cars too. However, we tend to
keep the spaces between them rather than treating them as one long word.

WRT French... there was a popular song years ago called "La Plume de
Ma Tante" which demonstrates what I had in mind. Translation": My Aunt's Pen".
Then there's the word "amplificateur", which means "amplifier".... :-)

... and then you get things like...

i'm going to unthaw some chicken for dinner.
hurry and finish washing up the dishes.

and similar... "unthaw" is the wrong word... should

be "thaw" or "unfreeze"...

Uh-huh. I see "the cold-blooded murder of the English tongue" there
as well. Whether GBS said it in exactly those words or whether some perceptive
Americans added it to a musical version of his PYGMALION, I can relate.... :-)

"up" is not needed in the second one at all... can you
"wash down", too? ;)

Good question. While I've heard folks from England say "washing up"
in reference to dishes, they don't specify dishes. I reckon they say this only
when they're washing dishes & they'd say "I'm going to wash the car" just as we
would... it's not like dressing up or dressing down to suit the occasion.

Oral speech tends to be rather wordy on occasions when we must think
on our feet... and most people understand & accept that what they're hearing is
the best we can do on the spur of the moment. OTOH, I think UK English is more
efficient than North American English at times. The Browns may be invited *to*
tea, e.g., but in this context "tea" = a light meal as well as a beverage. :-)




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Hi mark -- on Dec 09 2018 at 09:46, you wrote:

"Respectfully submitted for your perusal - a Kanamit. Height: a
little over nine feet. Weight: in the neighborhood of three hundred
and fifty pounds. Origin: unknown. Motives? Therein hangs the tale,
for in just a moment, we're going to ask you to shake hands,
figuratively, with a Christopher Columbus from another galaxy and
another time. This is the Twilight Zone." - /To Serve Man/

FYI:
"To Serve Man", Author Damon Knight
Published in Galaxy Science Fiction
Media type Print (Magazine, Hardcover, and Paperback)
Publication date November 1950
"To Serve Man" is a science fiction short story by American writer Damon Knight. It first appeared in the November 1950 issue of Galaxy Science Fiction and has been reprinted a number of times, including in Frontiers in Space (1955), Far Out (1961), and The Best of Damon Knight (1976).


Cheers... Dallas

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On 2019 Jan 02 23:56:28, you wrote to me:

"Respectfully submitted for your perusal - a Kanamit. Height: a
little over nine feet. Weight: in the neighborhood of three hundred
and fifty pounds. Origin: unknown. Motives? Therein hangs the tale,
for in just a moment, we're going to ask you to shake hands,
figuratively, with a Christopher Columbus from another galaxy and
another time. This is the Twilight Zone." - /To Serve Man/

[...] could supply. Sooner or later he'd have to admit he hadn't found India or China... but he needed to persuade his financial backers he'd found something equally profitable.

$$$ ruins so many good things...

I wonder what a Kanamit might want from me, and I think it unlikely I could outrun him or her.... :-))

i don't think i could outrun one, either... Kanamits are 9 feet tall... Richard
Kiel (played 007 villain Jaws) played the iconic part of the Kanamit...

i used to speak Turkish (1st) and Japanese (2nd) but haven't since i
was maybe 5 years old...

An interesting combination! I studied French & Latin in high school
... and I'm glad I did... but I'm also out of practice now. :-)

my dad (R.I.P.) was in the USNavy so we got to go with him to a few of his duty
stations...

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"Respectfully submitted for your perusal - a Kanamit. Height: a
little over nine feet. Weight: in the neighborhood of three hundred
and fifty pounds. Origin: unknown. Motives? Therein hangs the tale,
for in just a moment, we're going to ask you to shake hands, figuratively, with a Christopher Columbus from another galaxy and
another time. This is the Twilight Zone." - /To Serve Man/

One of my favorite TV episodes!

FYI:
"To Serve Man", Author Damon Knight
Published in Galaxy Science Fiction
Media type Print (Magazine, Hardcover, and Paperback)
Publication date November 1950
"To Serve Man" is a science fiction short story by American writer Damon Knight. It first appeared in the November 1950 issue of Galaxy Science

Fiction

and has been reprinted a number of times, including in Frontiers in Space (1955), Far Out (1961), and The Best of Damon Knight (1976).

I need to find and read that!

Mike

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Hi Mike -- on Jan 03 2019 at 18:20, you wrote:

FYI:
"To Serve Man", Author Damon Knight

I need to find and read that!

http://perrylocal.org/mostova/files/2010/10/To-Serve-Man.pdf

Weird place to find it, but there it is!

Cheers... Dallas

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"To Serve Man", Author Damon Knight

I need to find and read that!

http://perrylocal.org/mostova/files/2010/10/To-Serve-Man.pdf
Weird place to find it, but there it is!

I will have to check that out!

Mike

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