Quoting Nancy Backus to Michael Loo <=-

Had a discussion recently with a professor of English
whose academic specialty was pop culture, if you can
believe such a thing exists, and a student of same;
I asked about the difference between rap and hip-hop.
I didn't get a straight answer, and half of the
terminology they used I had no idea what it meant.

They're speaking a sublanguage which might as well be foreign... and
they probably thought they /had/ given you a straight answer..... ;)

Here's a short and simple version that even I can understand ...

From ebony.com:

Hip-hop is a culture and rapping is one of four elements contained
therein - the others being breakdancing, DJing and graffiti.

And Rap is spoken word poetry usually delivered over an instrumental
track, a back beat rhythm that can come from a DJ, turntables or a
beatbox.

More Dutch stuff: Even though the Netherlands is a small country
there are three distinct regional cuisines:

The northern region is more rural and uses lots of both beef and
wild game. It includes the Frisian Islands so there's a lot of
seafood too. It's where Metworst sausage comes from. Pumpernickel
(the real stuff, not the sweet soft molasses laced American version)
made with combined buckwheat and rye groats, meals and flours is
popular there. Frisian rye bread is slow baked at low temps making
for a sweet taste and a deep dark color without any sugar or
molasses.

The central region including the Holland provinces is dairy country
and home of Gouda, Edam, and cumin spiced Leyden. Herring, eels and
mussels are all very popular there. North Holland is known for its
chocolate industry, and is where Dutch process chocolate was
invented.

Southern Dutch cuisine has a lot of Flemish/ Belgian influences
including growing/eating witloof (Belgian endive) and making/
drinking Kriek lambic.

Leiden is in South Holland province which is in the central region.

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Title: Leiden Hodgepodge - Hutspot Met Klapstuk
Categories: Dutch, Beef, Beans, Stews
Servings: 4

750 g carrots
500 g parsnips
250 g white beans
250 g onions
salt & pepper
500 g brisket or stew meat
peppercorns
bay leaf

Wash the beans and let them soak overnight in plenty of water. Boil
2 litres of water, add salt and pepper, the meat, peppercorns and
bay leaf and bring to a boil again. Turn down the heat and let simmer
for 2.5 hours. Take the meat from the stock and cut into smaller
pieces.

Slowly cook the beans, using the water in which they have soaked,
for twenty minutes. In the meantime, clean and scrub the carrots,
parsnips and onions and cut them in chunks.

Add the stock and vegetables to the simmering beans and slowly cook
for another 45 minutes. Drain the mix, add the meat cubes and season
to taste. Mix well and serve.

From: Www.Godutch.Com

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Cheers

Jim

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Quoting Jim Weller to Nancy Backus on 03-02-19 21:57 <=-
Quoting Nancy Backus to Michael Loo <=-

Had a discussion recently with a professor of English
whose academic specialty was pop culture, if you can
believe such a thing exists, and a student of same;
I asked about the difference between rap and hip-hop.
I didn't get a straight answer, and half of the
terminology they used I had no idea what it meant.

They're speaking a sublanguage which might as well be foreign... and
they probably thought they /had/ given you a straight answer..... ;)

Here's a short and simple version that even I can understand ...
From ebony.com:
Hip-hop is a culture and rapping is one of four elements contained
therein - the others being breakdancing, DJing and graffiti.

Indeed short and simple.... :) I live in a very mixed neighborhood, and
am exposed to various cultures including hip-hop... The elements do
seem to be able to exist in isolation without the others, with rap being
the most common... But further than that I'd not try to explain, as it's
hard to keep simple enough to understand... :)

And Rap is spoken word poetry usually delivered over an instrumental track, a back beat rhythm that can come from a DJ, turntables or a beatbox.

Generally... although there are also forms where some part is sung or
somewhat sung.... perhaps they are considered a hybrid form.... Most of
MJ's aides were African/American, and most of those tended to listen to
rap almost exclusively... I heard a lot of it there, and also coming (excessively full volume) from some of my near neighbors... ;)

More Dutch stuff: Even though the Netherlands is a small country
there are three distinct regional cuisines:

Also distinct cultures there, too... as our "friend" van der Vlist from
the FidoNews echo would go on about...

The northern region is more rural and uses lots of both beef and
wild game. It includes the Frisian Islands so there's a lot of
seafood too. It's where Metworst sausage comes from. Pumpernickel
(the real stuff, not the sweet soft molasses laced American version)
made with combined buckwheat and rye groats, meals and flours is
popular there. Frisian rye bread is slow baked at low temps making
for a sweet taste and a deep dark color without any sugar or
molasses.

A much heartier bread...

The central region including the Holland provinces is dairy country
and home of Gouda, Edam, and cumin spiced Leyden. Herring, eels and mussels are all very popular there. North Holland is known for its chocolate industry, and is where Dutch process chocolate was
invented.

The area of the Netherlands that more are cognizant of.... :) And which
tends to be thought of... :)

Southern Dutch cuisine has a lot of Flemish/ Belgian influences
including growing/eating witloof (Belgian endive) and making/
drinking Kriek lambic.

I do trust they have meat as well... ;)

Leiden is in South Holland province which is in the central region.
Title: Leiden Hodgepodge - Hutspot Met Klapstuk
Categories: Dutch, Beef, Beans, Stews
Servings: 4
750 g carrots
500 g parsnips
250 g white beans
250 g onions
salt & pepper
500 g brisket or stew meat
peppercorns
bay leaf

Looks like a good winter meal.... warm and hearty.... :)

Add the stock and vegetables to the simmering beans and slowly cook
for another 45 minutes. Drain the mix, add the meat cubes and season
to taste. Mix well and serve.

I wonder what would end up being done with the drained liquid, there....
I think of stews as having the liquid left in....

ttyl neb

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Quoting Nancy Backus to Jim Weller <=-

I live in a very mixed neighborhood, and am exposed to various
cultures including hip-hop...

Me, not so much. Most of Yellowknife's small black population is
from either the British Caribbean or West Africa, again from British Commonwealth countries and they don't relate all that much to
American pop culture.

Dutch [...] Pumpernickel (the real stuff, not the sweet soft
molasses laced American version) made with combined buckwheat
and rye groats, meals and flours

A much heartier bread...

I like it. I first came across it in grade nine when I spent a
semester with Dutch Farmer Bill's family while my Dad had a contract
in Ottawa and the rest of the family went with him but I didn't
want to switch schools in mid term. I was also introduced to a
number of Friesian dishes, croquettes, Gouda and Edam cheese, Dutch
chocolate, that extremely strong salted licorice and even, on Saint
Nicholas Day, Schnaps and Korn.

Title: Leiden Hodgepodge - Hutspot Met Klapstuk
Drain the mix

I wonder what would end up being done with the drained liquid

Soup base the next day. Nothing good gets wasted.

Some of Hermina's meals featured mild Euro versions of Indonesian
curries. Indonesia having been the Dutch East Indies in the colonial
days, there was some culinary back and forth.

This next stew has a dash of Indonesian ketjap manis in it ...

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Title: Stew The Flemish Way - Zeeuws-Vlaams "stoofvlees"
Categories: Dutch, Stews, Beef
Servings: 4

400 g sirloin beef
2 onions
2 apples
1 ts ginger powder
1 TB butter or margarine
2 TB ketjap manis (sweet)
1/2 ts nutmeg
salt, pepper
600 g frozen French fries

Preheat the oven to 225 C/435 F. Skin the onions and slice them into
rings. Peel, quarter and core the apples and slice them into strips.
Cut the meat into 1 cm or 1/2" strips and sprinkle with the ginger
powder and pepper. Put the fries in the oven and bake them till
golden brown.

In the meantime heat the butter in a skillet. Turn up the heat and
fry the beef strips for about 3 minutes. Take the meat from the pan
and fry - with heat still turned high - the onion rings for about 3
minutes. Add the apple slices and cook for another minute. Turn down
the heat, add ketjap, nutmeg and 2 tbsp water. Cover the pan and let
the mix stew for 10 minutes. Add the meat and simmer for 2 more
minutes. Add salt to taste.

Serve with the golden-brown fries and a mixed salad or your choice
of vegetables.

From: Www.Godutch.Com

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Cheers

Jim


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Quoting Jim Weller to Nancy Backus on 03-19-19 21:47 <=-

I live in a very mixed neighborhood, and am exposed to various
cultures including hip-hop...

Me, not so much. Most of Yellowknife's small black population is
from either the British Caribbean or West Africa, again from British Commonwealth countries and they don't relate all that much to
American pop culture.

Yup, that would make a difference...

Dutch [...] Pumpernickel (the real stuff, not the sweet soft
molasses laced American version) made with combined buckwheat
and rye groats, meals and flours

A much heartier bread...

I like it. I first came across it in grade nine when I spent a
semester with Dutch Farmer Bill's family while my Dad had a contract
in Ottawa and the rest of the family went with him but I didn't
want to switch schools in mid term.

Good decision on your part.... :) I think I had something of the sort
when I was much younger... but don't remember details now, only that I
enjoyed it... Daddy enjoyed the heartier breads, along with raisin
bread, so he'd often get those at the bakery thrift shops when they'd
been marked down so that he could afford them for our large family...

I was also introduced to a
number of Friesian dishes, croquettes, Gouda and Edam cheese, Dutch chocolate, that extremely strong salted licorice and even, on Saint Nicholas Day, Schnaps and Korn.

A very good culinary education there.... especially in appreciation...

Title: Leiden Hodgepodge - Hutspot Met Klapstuk
Drain the mix

I wonder what would end up being done with the drained liquid

Soup base the next day. Nothing good gets wasted.

Ok, good... :)

Some of Hermina's meals featured mild Euro versions of Indonesian
curries. Indonesia having been the Dutch East Indies in the colonial
days, there was some culinary back and forth.

And you got some of the benefit thereof... :)

ttyl neb

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